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Exersice #1
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Cubus:
I managed it extraordinarily many times. Twenty five times of thirty five attempts! Oh-ho!
Salt:
Honestly, sometimes I want to turn off the function of the sticky glance. It’s because people react enormously often even at unintentional glance. This is especially stressing in public transport.
It reminds me of body scanning.
Salt:
During the last year I’ve got the habit of looking at people barely touching them with my glance, receiving enough information from it. But in dreams this habit, it seems, gives the opposite effect for me. I can’t react at the absurdness of the dream scouts which I often remember waking up. Then I think why not to look closer and become aware of dreaming. This is just my opinion, it’s not against the practise.
Cat1979
Out of 30 attempts 15 worked. I noticed that if a man is busy with something (his doing) then it’s more difficult to make him turn. Women turn their heads round more willingly than men. But if you work with lightness and intent without worry about result it almost always works.
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Exersice #1
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Cubus:
I managed it extraordinarily many times. Twenty five times of thirty five attempts! Oh-ho!
Salt:
Honestly, sometimes I want to turn off the function of the sticky glance. It’s because people react enormously often even at unintentional glance. This is especially stressing in public transport.
It reminds me of body scanning.
Salt:
During the last year I’ve got the habit of looking at people barely touching them with my glance, receiving enough information from it. But in dreams this habit, it seems, gives the opposite effect for me. I can’t react at the absurdness of the dream scouts which I often remember waking up. Then I think why not to look closer and become aware of dreaming. This is just my opinion, it’s not against the practise.
Cat1979
Out of 30 attempts 15 worked. I noticed that if a man is busy with something (his doing) then it’s more difficult to make him turn. Women turn their heads round more willingly than men. But if you work with lightness and intent without worry about result it almost always works.
Good, it\'s success, J.R.Tomlin -)
Please, don’t give this up with the sticky glance and heads. It’s perfect training always.
Continue with other tasks translated and ask your questions to Ravenna in the question thread.
Wish you luck, as always.
Please, don’t give this up with the sticky glance and heads. It’s perfect training always.
Continue with other tasks translated and ask your questions to Ravenna in the question thread.
Wish you luck, as always.
Thanks for your reply DarkLight. I had to retreat for a while, but am keen to get going with more tasks again. Would you
be so kind as to let me know what task comes after the sticky glance tasks? Thanks for all your help
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
Hello, J.R.Tomlin
We get new tasks from Ravenna every 3-5 days and do our research.
After the \"Sticky Glance Practice\" we began work directly with our dreaming.
There was no translation of the recent tasks from us for a while – it\'s because we (me and other translators) don\'t see activity on the English speaking forum. We try to fix the translation part. Soon you\'ll find a translation of Ravenna\'s tasks topic here and I hope you\'ll catch up.
We\'re about to make a great step forward (it will be detailed later) for which we must prepare. It has its own system of preparation.
At the moment we have the task of seeing (ie. finding) ourselves sleeping in a dream – lying in our real bed in real time (if it\'s night when you\'re asleep it should be night in the dream etc). But don\'t wake yourself up or you won\'t remember the meeting.
This task is advanced. It works upon the connection between dreaming reality and waking reality.
Before this, we worked with \"tearing the matter of a dream\" placing ourselves in the \"darkness\" which exists between dreams. Learning to do it is a way to control your dreams and later will be an important safeguard for protection.
Now, as for what you can do, catching up is never easy, but my best advice would be for you to work with entering this darkness. Shortly and in my own words:
This darkness is what exists between the bubbles of perception we experience in dreams.
A \'bubble of perception\' is the way the boundaries of a dream are best described.
For example, in a dream you need to go to another city so you get on a train. On the train you meet your friend and begin to speak, you then find yourself in your friends\' home speaking with him and help him search for his cat.
There are 2 bubbles here, and 1 transit.
The 1st bubble is the dream of needing to go to a city, the train etc.
The 2nd is your friend, his house and his cat etc.
The friend is the transit between bubbles.
We always have transits, sometimes they\'re extremely subtle, sometimes very obvious. They carry us from one bubble into another while we dream. We had tasks earlier of noticing these transits as much as we could, and being aware of the transition between bubbles.
It is possible however to break free of a bubble without entering another, instead you\'ll enter this darkness. Ravenna mentioned an object which universally appears in people\'s dreams. It very much resembles an acorn. They may be found in the possession of gypsy-like people near airports, train/metro stations bus depots etc. They can be traded or bought from these people for whatever (it doesn\'t matter). If you get them, fling them on the ground and they\'ll make a hole which tears open the bubble of perception (literally a hole in reality). Go through it and enter the darkness. The task is to be able to enter it, sustain your dream there, and return through the same hole. It\'s easy to be disturbed or amazed, or just freaked-out by this and wake up, but we must learn to use it with harmony. You can also try to break reality in other ways, stomping your feet, scraping the walls, whatever works for you. Once you have done it once, by accident or with these \"acorns\" it will become much easier to remember this feeling and do it again.
Work with this for now, and I or one of the other translators will post more after. You\'re not too far behind and there\'s still time to catch up. Please share your experiences so far, and good luck!
We get new tasks from Ravenna every 3-5 days and do our research.
After the \"Sticky Glance Practice\" we began work directly with our dreaming.
There was no translation of the recent tasks from us for a while – it\'s because we (me and other translators) don\'t see activity on the English speaking forum. We try to fix the translation part. Soon you\'ll find a translation of Ravenna\'s tasks topic here and I hope you\'ll catch up.
We\'re about to make a great step forward (it will be detailed later) for which we must prepare. It has its own system of preparation.
At the moment we have the task of seeing (ie. finding) ourselves sleeping in a dream – lying in our real bed in real time (if it\'s night when you\'re asleep it should be night in the dream etc). But don\'t wake yourself up or you won\'t remember the meeting.
This task is advanced. It works upon the connection between dreaming reality and waking reality.
Before this, we worked with \"tearing the matter of a dream\" placing ourselves in the \"darkness\" which exists between dreams. Learning to do it is a way to control your dreams and later will be an important safeguard for protection.
Now, as for what you can do, catching up is never easy, but my best advice would be for you to work with entering this darkness. Shortly and in my own words:
This darkness is what exists between the bubbles of perception we experience in dreams.
A \'bubble of perception\' is the way the boundaries of a dream are best described.
For example, in a dream you need to go to another city so you get on a train. On the train you meet your friend and begin to speak, you then find yourself in your friends\' home speaking with him and help him search for his cat.
There are 2 bubbles here, and 1 transit.
The 1st bubble is the dream of needing to go to a city, the train etc.
The 2nd is your friend, his house and his cat etc.
The friend is the transit between bubbles.
We always have transits, sometimes they\'re extremely subtle, sometimes very obvious. They carry us from one bubble into another while we dream. We had tasks earlier of noticing these transits as much as we could, and being aware of the transition between bubbles.
It is possible however to break free of a bubble without entering another, instead you\'ll enter this darkness. Ravenna mentioned an object which universally appears in people\'s dreams. It very much resembles an acorn. They may be found in the possession of gypsy-like people near airports, train/metro stations bus depots etc. They can be traded or bought from these people for whatever (it doesn\'t matter). If you get them, fling them on the ground and they\'ll make a hole which tears open the bubble of perception (literally a hole in reality). Go through it and enter the darkness. The task is to be able to enter it, sustain your dream there, and return through the same hole. It\'s easy to be disturbed or amazed, or just freaked-out by this and wake up, but we must learn to use it with harmony. You can also try to break reality in other ways, stomping your feet, scraping the walls, whatever works for you. Once you have done it once, by accident or with these \"acorns\" it will become much easier to remember this feeling and do it again.
Work with this for now, and I or one of the other translators will post more after. You\'re not too far behind and there\'s still time to catch up. Please share your experiences so far, and good luck!
Hi DarkLight,
thank you very much for updating me on what you have been doing. It sounds very exciting. I love the sound of your current task and the one preceding it (entering the darkness). I find the acorns particularly intriguing. So, I will focus on reaching that darkness in between dream bubbles. What has your experience been with this darkness? Did it frighten you?
Thanks so much for your help with translating the tasks (and please say thanks from me to the others for their help).
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
thank you very much for updating me on what you have been doing. It sounds very exciting. I love the sound of your current task and the one preceding it (entering the darkness). I find the acorns particularly intriguing. So, I will focus on reaching that darkness in between dream bubbles. What has your experience been with this darkness? Did it frighten you?
Thanks so much for your help with translating the tasks (and please say thanks from me to the others for their help).
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
Hi Everyone,
I\'m still in the process of doing these tasks and continuing with all. Will send in my reports when I get them ready.
Regards,
Field9
I\'m still in the process of doing these tasks and continuing with all. Will send in my reports when I get them ready.
Regards,
Field9
You are welcome. I have some news for you in the end of this message.
This darkness is something like the base of our dreams. Once we tear them we are there. If the dream is not wanted we can change to another one \"diving\" into this darkness and \"diving out\".
I naturally appeared in this darkness many times, it gave me consciousness to begin a dream. I\'m also one of those who considers astral experiences and real conscious dreams (not lucid ones – they are on the level below) to be the same.
For me this darkness was scary only when it coincided with dream paralysis (it\'s when you begin to feel your physical body still dreaming and can\'t move) and very loud noise (like fast wind in my years). When I tear dreams intentionally or just appear in it unintentionally, it doesn\'t scare me.
Also, according to Ravenna and my experience this darkness is not very safe, so we must stay quiet there and gentle. Nevertheless, it\'s the place to escape to when we run from one dream to another.
I\'m asking you not to do the tasks all at once. But once you\'ve managed one you can go to another. Still, don\'t let it take too long.
The news is that at the moment we are doing the main task – the one which the rest of exercises have prepared us for. It was given yesterday.
Please, go through all the tasks here and check if you have exercised all, then write in your reports where you are at the moment.
In one week or two there will be a new forum – by that time you\'ll have finished the main task. No more is known so far, this forum is the place where we all have taken our first steps and later we\'ll have a new place with new researches.
Soon you\'ll have all information, we\'ll keep you updated.
Hugs,
DarkLight
This darkness is something like the base of our dreams. Once we tear them we are there. If the dream is not wanted we can change to another one \"diving\" into this darkness and \"diving out\".
I naturally appeared in this darkness many times, it gave me consciousness to begin a dream. I\'m also one of those who considers astral experiences and real conscious dreams (not lucid ones – they are on the level below) to be the same.
For me this darkness was scary only when it coincided with dream paralysis (it\'s when you begin to feel your physical body still dreaming and can\'t move) and very loud noise (like fast wind in my years). When I tear dreams intentionally or just appear in it unintentionally, it doesn\'t scare me.
Also, according to Ravenna and my experience this darkness is not very safe, so we must stay quiet there and gentle. Nevertheless, it\'s the place to escape to when we run from one dream to another.
I\'m asking you not to do the tasks all at once. But once you\'ve managed one you can go to another. Still, don\'t let it take too long.
The news is that at the moment we are doing the main task – the one which the rest of exercises have prepared us for. It was given yesterday.
Please, go through all the tasks here and check if you have exercised all, then write in your reports where you are at the moment.
In one week or two there will be a new forum – by that time you\'ll have finished the main task. No more is known so far, this forum is the place where we all have taken our first steps and later we\'ll have a new place with new researches.
Soon you\'ll have all information, we\'ll keep you updated.
Hugs,
DarkLight
I practiced the sticky glance task while out and about shopping. I went about glancing in short intervals at random
shoppers. Out of about 20 I had about 3 that felt felt like I had accomplished getting them to turn around and look back
at me fully... The vast majority of others were made up of half turns, so I did not count those as being completes...
There were also maybe about 4 or so that didn\'t turn at all I think this was due to their absorption in what they were
doing... I found that when I was standing still and focused in on the people I seem to do better but remaining unnoticed
in some instances as I was doing this was also challenging... The attempts I did while walking behind at a distance did
not yield as good of results, people were more apt to turn sideways on me and it did not feel as though I had been the
one that caused the turning... I did find this exercise interesting as well as challenging.
Field9
Field9
Field9, it\'s ok. The more people are occupied with something, as in your case shopping and talking, the harder it is to
make them turn. Also sometimes they don\'t make the full turn, but the half turns are also partial success. I started
just recently and have to admit that sometimes I make them turn as puppets, but sometimes my efforts are to no avail. As
with any exercise the only way to sharpen up your skill is practice, so keep practicing and put some effort in it.
Shopping mall is not the easiest place to start the practicing this task because people are too concentrated on whatever
they doing there. Try to exercise sitting on the park bench or in your car on people who just pass by. It is easier and
will give you some confidence.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Thanks Quasar... I think i\'ve gotten the initial feel of doing the practice even with the little success I had. I look
forward to doing more of these and the rest of the practices. Thats a very creative idea you have to make them turn as
puppets. I like that. Indeed practice is crucial... I\'m attempting to make the most of every situation that presents
itself for a chance to practice. Although today I did not fare as well with even my best efforts while in town amongst
the shoppers... I can see some definite advantages with your suggestions of the bench and car and I will incorporate
those ideas next chance I get while in town. Thank you kindly and Good Luck to you too.
Field9
Field9
No problem, Field9. Leave the shoppers for later and start with just passing by people. Than advance to the shoppers and
people who are occupied with some activities. I am not that good at it yet, but I think that pairs in love could be a
kind of a pinnacle of this practice. I do not mind to disturb them, if I do sucseed with interupting them, then I\'ll
just send some Light abd Love their way ) That is what I am going to concentrate on next, after I\'ll sucseed with the
shopoholics and gossiping homemakers ))) Make sure that you practce this exercise as often as possible and it\'s better
to do it everyday, make this skill as stable as you can. For now I have a problem with the stability of sucsess. One day
I turn them as a puppetmaster and the next day not a single one turns ( But it\'s ok, I\'ll get there.
Peace
Quasar
P.S. Field9, do you think that it will be more useful for you if there will be more reports translated?
Peace
Quasar
P.S. Field9, do you think that it will be more useful for you if there will be more reports translated?
Quasar, I believe success will come in it\'s time if we keep at it... strenght will be built with consistency and the
stability will be right along with it... so keep at it. I like the way you\'ve expanded your idea to include pairs,
thats a great idea. I was thinking to maybe include family members as I do this practice, although I would rather not.
Circumstances don\'t always provide the ideal conditions yet if we make the most at the moment or when opportunity shows
forth then we gain by the experience of it. I think success is measured by the amount we put it into it... I was
patiently waiting many times in the midst of the shoppers to apply myself while I was out today and only had one moment
while sitting in the car that came close to a partial success.
I appreciate and am thankful for all the efforts that have gone into to translate the reports, yes I do find them to be very helpful and I hope they will continue as they are very beneficial. Thanks again.
Kind Regards,
Field9
I appreciate and am thankful for all the efforts that have gone into to translate the reports, yes I do find them to be very helpful and I hope they will continue as they are very beneficial. Thanks again.
Kind Regards,
Field9
Field9, family members are no fun cause you know and used to eachother for qite a while ) WIth them you will either have
a full sucsess or a comlete failure, IMHO.
In regards to translation - no problem. Once I finish translating Toolset, I will translate all the meaningful comments for the Sticky glance task. By helping you I help myself, translation is my way of not doing the reading of the comments, cause when I translate I have to go deeper into the text than by just reading )))))
In regards to translation - no problem. Once I finish translating Toolset, I will translate all the meaningful comments for the Sticky glance task. By helping you I help myself, translation is my way of not doing the reading of the comments, cause when I translate I have to go deeper into the text than by just reading )))))
Quasar, alright that was only a last resort in my mind to the use of family members, it didn\'t really feel right to me
when I thought about it and plus its good to hear your feedback on it.
Superb, i\'m glad to hear that its providing a great outlet to interpet in such a way as a not doing... Sure appreciate and look forward to further translations
Field9
Superb, i\'m glad to hear that its providing a great outlet to interpet in such a way as a not doing... Sure appreciate and look forward to further translations
Field9
Ok, will do : )
Hi DarkLight,
apologies in my delayed response.
Thanks for elaborating more about the darkness in dreaming.
When you said:
"I naturally appeared in this darkness many times, it gave me consciousness to begin a dream."
Do you mean that entering this darkness makes you aware that you are dreaming (i.e. lucid)?
Also regarding what you said here:
"I\'m also one of those who considers astral experiences and real conscious dreams (not lucid ones – they are on the level below) to be the same."
I'd be interested to hear more about what, for you, constitutes a 'real conscious dream' in comparison to a lucid dream - and why you think them to be the same as astral experiences. My personal experience is similar, in fact the awareness dreams (lucids) that I have (that are similar feeling to out of body experiences) I now call 'energy body experiences', because they just do not feel the same as normal lucids. And it's not just because the starting point is my bedroom, as sometimes I am not in my normal bedroom - I'm in some other place. It's the feeling of the experience - a completely different quality and feeling. When you say that lucid dreams are 'on the level below' - what are you referring to? Location or quality?
I want to thank you again for all the help you've given with translations so that English speakers can have the opportunity to try out these exercises. Also, for providing translations of all the Russian participants' reports. I have just finished reading all threads on the English forum. Reading all your reports is fascinating and encouraging. So thank you!
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
apologies in my delayed response.
Thanks for elaborating more about the darkness in dreaming.
When you said:
"I naturally appeared in this darkness many times, it gave me consciousness to begin a dream."
Do you mean that entering this darkness makes you aware that you are dreaming (i.e. lucid)?
Also regarding what you said here:
"I\'m also one of those who considers astral experiences and real conscious dreams (not lucid ones – they are on the level below) to be the same."
I'd be interested to hear more about what, for you, constitutes a 'real conscious dream' in comparison to a lucid dream - and why you think them to be the same as astral experiences. My personal experience is similar, in fact the awareness dreams (lucids) that I have (that are similar feeling to out of body experiences) I now call 'energy body experiences', because they just do not feel the same as normal lucids. And it's not just because the starting point is my bedroom, as sometimes I am not in my normal bedroom - I'm in some other place. It's the feeling of the experience - a completely different quality and feeling. When you say that lucid dreams are 'on the level below' - what are you referring to? Location or quality?
I want to thank you again for all the help you've given with translations so that English speakers can have the opportunity to try out these exercises. Also, for providing translations of all the Russian participants' reports. I have just finished reading all threads on the English forum. Reading all your reports is fascinating and encouraging. So thank you!
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
Hi Quasar,
just wanted to thank you for your efforts with translating the tasks and reports. Really appreciate it! I have just finished reading through all tasks and reports. Some excellent material there. The reports are invaluable and help us feel that we are part of the 'flow of research'. Not to mention how fascinating and enjoyable they are to read too!
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
just wanted to thank you for your efforts with translating the tasks and reports. Really appreciate it! I have just finished reading through all tasks and reports. Some excellent material there. The reports are invaluable and help us feel that we are part of the 'flow of research'. Not to mention how fascinating and enjoyable they are to read too!
Kind Regards,
J.R.Tomlin
Quasar[archive] писал(а): In regards to translation - no problem. Once I finish translating Toolset, I will translate all the meaningful comments for the Sticky glance task. By helping you I help myself, translation is my way of not doing the reading of the comments, cause when I translate I have to go deeper into the text than by just reading )))))
reading the sticky glance task, i didn't want to do it - it is against my personal code, to force others to yield to my
whimsical commands. i am a warrior fighting for freedom, you see - not for power over others.
but one day, standing in a buss station, i saw the back of a robot-like young man, with quasi-shaved head, and for some reason i held the base of his brain and told him "turn! look at me!"
he kind of swayed and didn't turn.
i *saw* that i caused some mess, not to be easily arranged, and said to myself - i'll never do it again.
on the buss, there was a religious man, with the costume of freaks who became religious (long curly sidelocks, white robe, weird hat) reading some holly book. i decided - i can ASK him to turn, instead of commanding. i did. he sticked to his Torah book, but his young good looking wife, who set at his side, turned and set at me a sharp questioning glance. i continued sending him request to turn around. his wife kept glancing at me once in a while. now an old, pious, fat, unkempt woman at the other side of the buss passage glanced sharply at me and started talking in a growing violent manner. i still asked him politely to turn and look at me. he never did. on leaving the buss i looked at his wife's face, sending her kind of apology and "nothing personal".
thus i don't have a statistics.
but one day, standing in a buss station, i saw the back of a robot-like young man, with quasi-shaved head, and for some reason i held the base of his brain and told him "turn! look at me!"
he kind of swayed and didn't turn.
i *saw* that i caused some mess, not to be easily arranged, and said to myself - i'll never do it again.
on the buss, there was a religious man, with the costume of freaks who became religious (long curly sidelocks, white robe, weird hat) reading some holly book. i decided - i can ASK him to turn, instead of commanding. i did. he sticked to his Torah book, but his young good looking wife, who set at his side, turned and set at me a sharp questioning glance. i continued sending him request to turn around. his wife kept glancing at me once in a while. now an old, pious, fat, unkempt woman at the other side of the buss passage glanced sharply at me and started talking in a growing violent manner. i still asked him politely to turn and look at me. he never did. on leaving the buss i looked at his wife's face, sending her kind of apology and "nothing personal".
thus i don't have a statistics.
charlila, your experience very nice. But I want to comment only one moment (sorry for my ugly-ugly English):
I think that this task giving more than just ability to easy manipulation. You will see yourself more cleanly than
before it. For me it was a great possibility to look at myself from the other side and see how I will use this force. In
Russian forum Ravenna wrote about different “personal codes”, “individualities” and other things. Sorry, I can’t fetch
the quote's translation, may be it will do someone else, but the main thought was that all of it - is barrier on our
way. You should get over them because you are doing this task not for manipulation people (I hope
), but for
felling intention. And this is very good exercise!
I think that here is so much pathos… You should understand why you doing it. This task directs to manipulating your energy and allows you to more possibilities. Also, and for your fighting. It doesn’t for greedy and selfish people, who think only about profitreading the sticky glance task, i didn't want to do it - it is against my personal code, to force others to yield to my whimsical commands. i am a warrior fighting for freedom, you see - not for power over others.
I think that this task giving more than just ability to easy manipulation. You will see yourself more cleanly than
before it. For me it was a great possibility to look at myself from the other side and see how I will use this force. In
Russian forum Ravenna wrote about different “personal codes”, “individualities” and other things. Sorry, I can’t fetch
the quote's translation, may be it will do someone else, but the main thought was that all of it - is barrier on our
way. You should get over them because you are doing this task not for manipulation people (I hope
), but for
felling intention. And this is very good exercise!
more cleanly? don't know. enlarge your posibilities? sure - but what about the person to whom you do it?Georg писал(а): I think that here is so much pathos…
...
This task ... allows you to more possibilities. ... It doesn’t for greedy and selfish people, who think only about profit
ok, you wan't make him give you his wallet as well - but ...
imagin you do it phisically instead - just cacth someone and turn his head back by force?
Huligan!
sure, most times it makes no difference, which way someone's head goes on a certain moment - all is so arbitrarry!
but once you take the liberty to rule others...
hell becomes your limit!
most cases, you will end-up in sibir or the like; but what if you win? what if you mannage to hold back and the only damage is - the filtrating of this code as legitimate?
[edited by me 1 time to correct elimination of code that mde "quote" look like non-quote]