Hello,

It's nice to see some serious research activity in the public part of the forum again after a long time. I decided to try the task out myself but since I use Google translate for translating the instructions, I have a couple of questions to start with.

Is activating the energy center on the hand using a glowe and a stone part of this task or is that a different task?

Is removing the implants task supposed to be done during the day or should the patches be applied before going to bed and kept on while sleeping?

About preparing the patches - should the aloe pieces be just cut on the concave side or should the skin be pilled off completely?

Here's what I did:

I apply the aloe patch at 9:45 am.

At around 10:30 am I feel a little uncomfortable at the area of the upper patches, like a muscle spasm or muscle contraction. A mild headache and a feeling of "heavy stomach" is also present, which was not there before I applied the patch.

At 5:45 pm I fix the patches - I take them off, peel the skin and re-apply the pieces. I keep them on until around 8:00 pm. Almost all the time the patches are on, I feel the twitching and spasms of the muscles.

The only human interaction that I had was with my girlfriend. She was a little moody the whole day, her mood fluctuating considerably after I re-applied the patches. Otherwise, there was nothing special in terms of worlds' reactions.

I look forward to hear your comments.

Regards,

Hello, Saso!
Answering you questions:

Is activating the energy center on the hand using a glowe and a stone part of this task or is that a different task?

It was another task, but it is the part of the workshop. In the first task we've tryed to take alien stone energy from our palm. Now we are trying to inactivate impant by applying aloe to 4 points.

Is removing the implants task supposed to be done during the day or should the patches be applied before going to bed and kept on while sleeping?

The were no special directions, so all of us have done it at different time - day or night.

About preparing the patches - should the aloe pieces be just cut on the concave side or should the skin be pilled off completely?

Skin should be pilled off only on the concave side.


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Hello, D.K.Meron,

Thank you for your answers.

It was another task, but it is the part of the workshop. In the first task we've tryed to take alien stone energy from our palm. Now we are trying to inactivate impant by applying aloe to 4 points.

Good to know, I'll try that later then.

The were no special directions, so all of us have done it at different time - day or night.

In that case I will apply the patches before going to bed on tuesday and see the difference.

About preparing the patches - should the aloe pieces be just cut on the concave side or should the skin be pilled off completely?

Skin should be pilled off only on the concave side.

I think I expressed myself awkwardly. What I was trying to find out is if the skin has to be peeled off completely from the concave side or is it enough to just make a cut in the skin?

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I would appreciate that a lot, thank you.

Regards,

Saso писал(а):
I think I expressed myself awkwardly. What I was trying to find out is if the skin has to be peeled off completely from the concave side or is it enough to just make a cut in the skin?

Hi Saso!
Yes, you're right. the skin has to be peeled off completely from the concave side. pith of the leaf applying to points about 6-8 hours.

After having a day off yesterday I was back to work today. I have to say that I was rather surprised - I was expecting all sorts of potential problems related to this task but it was quite the opposite - all the interactions I had were pleasant to say the least. For a moment there I was wondering if I missed the places to put the patches on, but an occassional twitching would imply differently.

I can only remember a single dream from last night: I am standing in a line that goes all the way up a small hill. When I get on top, I see two guys dressed as mechanics. They invite me into a tent that I am about to rent. I stand in the middle of a round room approximately 1.5 meters in diameter and look around. I see some bikes and some other junk and when I ask if I get that too, they reply that it doesn't belong to the package that I chose... The rest was erased by the alarm clock, I think.

Speaking of which, I was wondering if anyone has noticed any effect of the full moon on dreams/dreaming? It seems that a couple of days before and after my dream recall decreases significantly. Any thoughts?

Another thing just crossed my mind. While reading the translations of your reports I noticed that you mention sex/sexuality/sexual energy a couple of times. I couldn't understand the context completely but since you are mentioning it, I hope to clear some things. Does sex influence dreaming and if so, how? Does it affect the ability of dreaming in terms of increase/decrease awareness? What about its' effect on dream recall?

This is it for now. I look forward to see what happens tonight after I apply the patches again.

Regards,

фёдор писал(а):Hi Saso!
Yes, you're right. the skin has to be peeled off completely from the concave side. pith of the leaf applying to points about 6-8 hours.

Hello, фёдор.

Thanks for your reply. I will do that tonight and see what happens.

Regards,

I applied the patches at 8:15 pm. After applying the first patch (first from top to bottom) I felt some sort of pressure a few centimeters away from the spot where the patch was. I figured that I missed the spot so I moved the patch to that place and soon after that the twitching stopped. Around 9:00 pm I began to feel a light headache which originated from the left side of the head; it passed in about 15 minutes and after that I felt somehow "light-headed" and unusually sleepy. Also, there was some sort of itching that started around the third patch (again top to bottom), then it moved down the leg and spread all over the foot. It lasted for about 15-20 minutes, then stopped completely.

Went to bed at around 9:45 pm, tried to enter dreaming through tinsel, but no success. As a matter of fact, I couldn't fall asleep at all. I was twisting and turning until around 11:40 pm, then I finally fell asleep. Alarm clock woke me up at 4:15 am and immediately reset my dream recall; I only remember that I was talking to a woman who offered to pay half the price for the phone. (there was one other thing but I can't remember what it was; I will recheck my dream diary after I get back from work) What I find most surprising is the fact that regardless of restless sleep I felt refreshed and full of energy. I removed the patches and went back to bed.

It took a while again before I fell asleep, but this time the sleep cycle was not interrupted until the alarm at 6:30 am. This time I could recollect a single, not very pleasant dream which began in the Twilight Zone (place that looks similar to the appartment I live in but slightly different; usually I fave FAs there). Anyways, there was my landlord, just sitting on the shelf near the window, watching us sleep. Of course I get upset, I want to know what he is doing here and for how long was he in the room. He starts to mumble about something and after a while I get the picture - they want us out of there. A couple of arguments with the landlord and his wife, after that I leave for work, while my girlfriend has a chat with the wife about some "power plants" that the neighbors (I call the owners "neighbors") are growing around the house. Their son takes me with him and after a short drive we come to a marketplace at the top of some hill. I leave the car and walk between the tables which seems to upset the sellers - they all start to chase me. I run down the hill, then I wake up.

Until now I still didn't notice any effects of the experiment on the physical world besides that I get unusually friendly reactions from people around me. Which is not bad at all. I still feel occasional twitches and cramps in the leg, other than that all is great.

I was thinking about all this and I was wondering how often should this trick be used? If it should be done more than once or twice a year, I will have to buy another aloe plant... By the way - does the age of the plant play any role in this? I am asking because it usually takes 2-3 years before the plant develops its' healing abilities. And how long does it take for the implants to re-activate? Is there any way that someone could explain a bit more about the effects of the implants on physical and dreaming body?

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Saso,

I was expecting all sorts of potential problems related to this task but it was quite the opposite - all the interactions I had were pleasant to say the least.

That's OK. In fact our participants divided into groups of those who have some troubles in real life and those who feel better after application of aloe and whose troubles are rather interesting and mystic .

Another thing just crossed my mind. While reading the translations of your reports I noticed that you mention sex/sexuality/sexual energy a couple of times.

Voladors use this aspect of our life to take our energy and luminosity. They may create images in your mind, dreams and/or situations where you will have to spend some energy. That's a trap. Only Warrior way can prevent these losses.

Does sex influence dreaming and if so, how? Does it affect the ability of dreaming in terms of increase/decrease awareness? What about its' effect on dream recall?

Some people are sure there is influence, some say there is no influece. Dreamhackers believe that sex influences dreaming (in the aspect of personal power). However I suppose that only wrong sex practices have such impact.

Hello, D.K.Meron,

D.K.Meron писал(а):That's OK. In fact our participants divided into groups of those who have some troubles in real life and those who feel better after application of aloe and whose troubles are rather interesting and mystic .

I guess I fall into the second group. At least for now...

Voladors use this aspect of our life to take our energy and luminosity. They may create images in your mind, dreams and/or situations where you will have to spend some energy. That's a trap. Only Warrior way can prevent these losses.

I am familiar with this kind of images / situations. I usually recognize them only after they are over, but sometimes I manage to "keep my cool" and to preserve some energy.

Some people are sure there is influence, some say there is no influece. Dreamhackers believe that sex influences dreaming (in the aspect of personal power). However I suppose that only wrong sex practices have such impact.

I think I know what you mean. I mean, I've been observing this for over a year now but I still can't put my finger on it whether it affects dreaming or not. I keep getting mixed results - sometimes after a longer period of abstinence I only remember bits and pieces of dreams when I should have loads of energy for dreaming while on the other hand I remember several dreams per night in great details after "loosing" energy through intercourse. I guess that 's only a small part of the whole picture...

As you said - Way of the Warrior...

Regards,

The translation of new tasks: http://dreamhackers.eu//viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1157

Yesterday was a great day all in all - a lot of energy, friendly conversations throughout the day, I even visited relatives I haven't seen in a long time and spent a nice afternoon with them. There were some attempts of throwing me out of balance, but I managed to recognize most of them and either avoid them or navigate through them without loosing myself in the events.

Went to bed a little over 11 pm, relaxed a bit, tried to enter sleep through tinsel but lost myself in the process. Solid sleep throughout the night, woke up in same position I fell asleep in. Unfortunately, no recollection of the dreams.

What I find interesting about tinsel is that instead of going through what I understand is the whole process (first black and white dots and simple shapes, then other colors and more complex shapes, then images) I enter directly into observing two-dimensional images - like watching a photography or remembering some past events or dream memories. After observing them for a while they begin to transform into three-dimensional images but then I usually lose them and fall into unconscious sleep.

Regards,

D.K.Meron писал(а):The translation of new tasks: http://dreamhackers.eu//viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1157

Thanks!

Regards,

Yesterday was a total opposite to the day before - low energy, intense mood swings for no apparent reason and general tiredness throughout the day.

I woke up around 40 minutes before the alarm today, with no recollection of dreams whatsoever.

Today intense and vivid dreams, but almost no memory upon waking. Only a few fragments about a group of people somewhere indoors, researching an old, abandoned house.

Another night with no recollection of dreams.

What I do remember is the feeling of foreign land, which is present for the last couple of days; I still can't determine whether foreign means unfamiliar/previously unexplored territory or another layer/level of dream world.

From tonights' dream: A large dining room at some public place, maybe a restaurant; a lot of people sitting around the tables, eating, making small talk. I take a walk around to see what's on the menu then I take a seat. Someone gives me a magazine and tells me to choose two items (some Lego toys). I remember that the place was colored in "bright" greyish/blueish colors.

Dream recall still extremely low, but (hopefully) it's getting better...

Last nights' dream: I open the door leading to a small storage facility. I see a tall young man wearing blue T-shirt with some sort of logo on the front side, he's looking at something on the shelves. When I enter the room, I see that he is not alone - there is a large brown bear standing next to the man, its' paw approaches him. I start to panic but soon I realize that the bear is not a threat; it shows the man how to make short circuit by sticking its' claws into the electricity socket.
I find myself outside. I think there is a house behind me (I didn't look, but it felt that way), in front of me a narrow road, next to the road a hill descending into the valley. The landscape is cowered with snow, there is a group of children riding sleigh downhill.

Today every single detail of the dream was erased by the alarm.

A couple of observations regarding the task and general events in the last two weeks:

It seems that the attempt of removing implants actually triggered something - rather intense mood swings, fluctuations of energy levels, general tiredness throughout the day (a couple of times I had to take an afternoon nap, which I didn't do for more than 5 years), headaches starting out of the blue and nearly impossible to get rid of (the only thing that helps is guarana extract, mixed with orange juice). Also, it feels that dreaming has somehow changed - besides the fact that my dream recall is extremely low (as if it's being rebuilt), there is an intense feeling of new, unfamiliar, foreign locations. I'll see how things progress from here...

While reading your reports I noticed that some of you still apply aloe patches. Is this still a part of the task or did I miss something? I thought that the patches should be applied only twice.

The only thing that I remember from tonight's dream is me repeating what I need to remember. Unfortunately, I lost everything because of the alarm clock. Again.

Which makes me wonder - how do you handle this? Do you use the alarm clock or do you wake up naturally? How does that work out with your jobs/other daily activities?

One other thing. Someone mentioned in their report that they applied the aloe patch on their forearm. Is there a picture that shows these points?

Thanks in advance.

It's been a crazy couple of weeks – a lot of work, unexpected overtime, people wanting something, but not knowing what,… It took me more than two weeks to figure out that it was all just a response of first attention on the attempt to remove implants. After I acknowledged that, things started to gradually change for the better. Or maybe it was the diet with vitamins (B-complex and vitamin C) that I started a little less than 2 weeks ago. Anyways...

In the meantime, I managed to reduce over 1.000 typed pages of dream diaries to around 200 pages of locations and their descriptions. I still have some orientation issues - I can't get rid of the feeling that some places should be positioned north from "home" while they are placed south on your maps. What I'm missing might be the level of dream world, but I'm still not sure.

As far as dreams go - I am glad to say that my dream recollection is getting a little better and further more - I am almost sure that I managed to get to chess forest. Here are some dream fragments:

Dream #1:
... I find myself on a small, rectangular shaped platform, approximately 1 square meter of size, surrounded with a low wall all around it (it feels as if I stand in a sandbox, but the feeling is that the whole place somehow "hangs in the middle of nowhere" - I can't recall anything around or below the place). Above the wall in front of me there is some kind of fog or mist around half of meter in size. When I try to touch it, it changes into a huge raven; it bows its head and waits for me to touch it, then it makes a loud noise and it flies away... After that I wake up.

Dream #2:
... I am walking around on an unusual, very large "platform"; someone else (a female) is here with me. I get to the edge and I find out that it is rectangular in shape and that (again!?!) I can't see the ground below. I get this rather unpleasant feeling that I get sometimes in dreams when I'm high above the ground (like dizziness/vertigo). I walk back to the center of the platform, where I find a hole. I look down and around 10 meters below I see a trunk of a tree with palm-like branches. It is too far away to reach, so I decide to jump. After I touch the branches, the palms grab me and they gently take me to the ground. I find it very intriguing and I try to get back on top of this strange tree, but I get kicked out of the dream.

I have a question about a location - I think it is somewhere very near southern border and a bit to the east; a narrow path leads uphill just next to an abyss on the left, there are some forests below but I think it is impossible to go there. On top of this hill there is a castle-like place with sloping floor, below the ground level there is a system of tunnels and mazes. I've seen it in at least two different forms (once as a castle and another time as a large house) but I am almost sure that it is the same place. Does it sound familiar? What is this place?

By the way - I was following your discussions and I don't quite get it - what happened to Anibus?

Regards,

Hello, Saso.

It's nice to see, that you're taking your practice seriously. It's a huge amount of work to process 1000 pages of dreams into 200 pages of locations' descriptions. It's inspiring to see such effort.

I don't know where's Anibus, but I think he is OK. Maybe he left the board because he was offended by someone. Maybe he is busy with some dreamhackers' business. I hope he will return some day.

ioneks писал(а):Hello, Saso.

It's nice to see, that you're taking your practice seriously. It's a huge amount of work to process 1000 pages of dreams into 200 pages of locations' descriptions. It's inspiring to see such effort.

Hey, ionex,

Thanks for the encouraging words. It did require quite some time and work and I must admit that I was kind of disappointed to find out that it was actually a lot of "content" (i.e. continuous story, a lot of details etc.) and very little depth. Anyhow, I think that when I will manage to join similar descriptions together, I should get most of archetypical locations.

ioneks писал(а):I don't know where's Anibus, but I think he is OK. Maybe he left the board because he was offended by someone. Maybe he is busy with some dreamhackers' business. I hope he will return some day.

I see. Thank you for the explanation.

Regards,