Jak.
Wellcome.
You can write in English. We shall try to give you all necessary information about a Ravenna“s knowledge.

Thank you! Wonderful! I actually thought I never sent that message because it said an error had occured as I am not registered. I was just in process of trying to find the part of site to register, it“s a bit hard finding where that bit of the site is.

Hope you can understand this. Anyway, how should I proceed? I“ve been experimenting in general with all I“ve read. I“ve missed all your dead lines as I only came to this information recently. I have noticed how the imagery often goes from right to left, or vice versa. Like yesterday there were butterflies. I also wonder what exactly is meant by “amber pond“? I wonder if this is the “hole“ I see that opens up in the swirls of the darkness? Often it has a light, which actually does look amber coloured. Sometimes I see images in that hole, and a few times the image proceeded towards me until I was surrounded by it, then I was in the dream, but this hasn“t happened for some time. In last few days, I see images there but it“s more in the distance (in darkness behind closed eyes). Yesterday I saw a bright, clear image of a house. But small, as in not close up to my vision, slightly in distance, but large enough to view the house in the “hole“. The other day two birds flew from right to left across full vision, and only just caught that a dream was starting. Ok, lots more to talk about. I“d also love to hear everyone elses discoveries. I“ll do my best with the translator in reading what you“re all up to. By the way, is this message going to your private email? If so should I write on a forum somewhere? (I don“t know where). It“s unfortunate about the language barrier, hopefully it won“t be too much of one (barrier).

Thank you for contacting me :-)

Jak

Jak , you’re welcome!
You are asking about the “amber pond” and what is meant by it. I’ll try to explain.
Some of us see it like a pond or you can call it “a little lake” , yellow or amber-colored with so-called “eyelashes” by its edges.
Others including me, describe it as a purple pulsating spot with torn edges.
I think everything depends on everyone’s perception. We decided to call it “amber pond” because under this word-combination we understand just the same :)

Jak, an amber pond was pictured by one of our participants. you can see this picture here http://ypond.narod.ru

well, it is good place for little recapitulation of practice
now i think we viewed the ringing formed tunnel with two exits,
first place is amber pond (“open your mind, open your mind, open your mind ...“ :)
a good decription this batterfly or pond - see 3rd chapter in CC “Tales of Power“
second end is colored negative of pond - deep purple pond.
all ponds maybe closed by eyelashes (full or part).
golden sparcs from boiling pond or batterfly wings fly to purple “magnet“ (maybe complex tower construction too).
this gloden sparcs is dream sphere of certain plots (u see this on screen), having own athmospheres and related events.
we try to control snaping to this spheres, and free exit, reset or break to next ...
it is my opinion only :)

Hello Nikol,

thanks for the welcome :-)

And also thanks for explanation. So does this amber pond appear for “observers“ in the darkness behind closed eyes? I take it that it is not something discovered once in a dream?

I have a feeling it is the hole I“ve observed that has the dream image inside it (once it has formulated itself properly in front of me) - especially when you described “torn edges“. I would often describe this hole with dream image inside as a small dream image in front of me, with jagged edges. However sometimes it has formed in a more spherical shape, and once it showed itself as a diamond shape. I have been paying extra attention during the falling asleep process for a few months now, and have realised the point when this “hole“ starts to manifest, it drifts itself into the swirls of blackness in a very subtle way, opening up slightly to expose a bit of colour/light, i have noticed this is often an orangey (amber) light. All very interesting! Also I“ve noticed that imagery can happen in a sort of “in the background“ way, not in background of visual field in front, but more like happening in another layer, where you don“t properly see it in colour, but the images “waft“ in, enticing you into the dreamy state. Also sometimes the feeling of reading and it making sense, rarely remember what. And often voices, conversations, even themes of a dream starting with no proper clear cut imagery. Can be hard to explain all this eh?! :-)

Jak

Hi there Diego,

thanks for the link, I saw the image so I have an idea more of the description

Jak

Hello пфьук,

Tales of Power is one of CC books I have yet to read, and now will read it sooner :-)

So these golden sparks, do you mean the golden coloured “spots“/small “balls“ that appear in darkness behind closed eyes? There are several of them, and I thought they were the “indicators“? It“s hard trying to fully understand the tasks with just the online translators translation ;-) But I“m doing my best, my apologies in advance for all the questions I“ll be asking :-)

Could you also please explain the “ringing formed tunnel with two exits“ a bit more. I have noticed a tunnel forming before, and on one occasion it was very clear (because I was in state between dreaming and awake, that state always gives one a head start ;-) and was made out of swirls of puffy white stuff that resembled those big puffy clouds (forget their name).

Thank you for this description, it gives me some extra things to go on. Oh and btw, does batterfly mean butterfly? I assume so :-) Interesting if it does, as I saw a couple of butteflies come up in the hypnogogic state yesterday

Jak

ok, but my english is ugly :)
firstly, after closing eyes, we can see simple single sparcs only.
we try make link solar plexus to the some sparcs:
imagine, you have volume control regulator in horizontal plane placed in solar plexus.
you can try turn this regulator, little-little tunings.
after finding successed position, one of your sparcs transformed to vertical line, going to the left.
you will see 3D saturating soup of little balls with fogged left side.
this soup consist from dream spheres, you can try approach to this spheres.
approcaching process is individual :) related to your current dreaming status.
1. with even breath near sphere moving little near
2. play with power umbilical center
3. imagine your body already within soup :)
next step is snap to some sphere or find place when shpere begin a movement.
all dream spheres begin movement from yellow pond.
yellow pond is “clear boiled mind place“, and need a special high mood for viewing, without any internal dialog.
from this boiled pond surface vaporize yellow fog and spheres.
if you find it, you will be SURE about right place this phenomena.
some dreamers can view gold butterfly.
tunnel as butterfly body with rings.
after moving to light or dark end of tunnel, they fly under body and butterfly is going away,
from butterfly wings, put down golden sparcs. this sparcs is dream sphere too...

Hi all!
пфьук,
Don“t worry! Your explanation is quite clear.
The word “ugly“ is used to describe somebody“s appearance. The word “poor“ is more suitable in this sentence: (=my English is poor).

Jak,
The amber pond appears for “observers“ in the darkness behind closed eyes, it is really so and it is not discovered once in a dream. We see it after closing eyes, relaxing and putting our palms ,( to be more exact the bottom of palms) on eyes. It appears in about 5-10 minutes. In some time you can see dream image inside the hole or you can visualize lots of little amber balls there. If approaching close to these balls and “swim“ among them you“ll have an interesting and surprising experience. Just try! Then tell us :))

As for the tunnel I“ve never seen it.

Jak, hi again!
This is the 1-st task of Ravenna in English. Read it and practice.

--- LESSON 1 ---
OZH (*)

I am Ravenna.

I’ll make a review for those who did not participate in out previous Training .

We’ll conduct 15 seminars and if we like them then we continue. The main idea if these seminars is “ a full dipping” into dreaming-practice but not the tasks themselves. For such a “dipping” to take place You‘ll have to take an active part in it. And I would like you to discuss your results within your dreaming-team but not with me. I’ll begin answering your practicable questions after the 10-th task. You must “boil thoroughly” in the boiler of this net seminar. You must “wander and mature” for the alchemic sublimation.
To gain the results you must discuss your practice just from the first task..

Each you works only for himself. That is why “catch” your decency, shyness, modesty and kill them or get rid of them for some time. Open yourself for the flow (stream) and enter it. Audience will stay “ashore” and they will giggle and whistle to you. Don’t pay attention to them The audience will get nothing. This laugh will be the laugh at their weakness. As for you, you share your results and learn the flight of imagination, courage, freedom of fetters covered your perception. If you “steam” someone by your posts- it is their problem but just in case let us agree that you will post your reports once a day. As for comments- you may send them free.

Each seminar lasts 5 days. Some of them will be easy for you, some- difficult. It’s quite possible that nobody will do some of them. But it is not a failure. Just try.

Procedure of entrance: during next 3 days you must enter the “flow” of Training.
“ Who did not have time that it was late”. Read the procedure of entrance below. It is based on a strong Dreamhackers method called “interface of vision”. We use
this mean for that reason, that we should create the trigon of the intention.
Primary purpose of the outstanding feature of the controlled dreams is the controlled entrance into the realised dream (you want and you enter without any conditions and limitations).
The declared purpose is a research of labyrinths in different dreaming spaces (possibly, we will not even touch this purpose, but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it). But my Secret purpose is to teach you the art of the consciousness. I will attain this purpose by manipulations and deceit (not you and not your mind). Finally you will understand whom this deceit will be directed on.

Now let us talk about the “interface of vision”. This method must be identical for each of you, easy and simple in the use. Let us start creating it.

1. you lie down in the calm place, shut eyes and cover with their palms. (not by the cavities of palms, but with the bottom between the mounds of thumb and edge of palm) pressure on the eyes is natural, push must be moderate. Our sight is disposed to 2 modes: external sight and internal look. With the aid of the palms we include the third mode, which is so-called “non-documented”. At a pressure of palms on the eyeballs the special activation of optical nerves occurs, which includes many tests, accomplished by the program of consciousness The program will make clear the reasons for the failure of the users modes of sight and we ‘ll use the access to the system. Pose with the palms on the eyes will not allow you to “roll down” into the dream. It is also one of the advantages of method..

2. Best of all if both palms are be adjoined with fingers on the forehead- such symbol /__. When you will lie, wait a little so that the after-effects, obtained from the light and the specks of light of light, would be scattered. I.e., simply you will stay with the closed eyes. And then cover them with palms. There will be the black and white screen of “interface“in front of you. There will be the “fermentation“ of certain strips, spots and pre-images on it.

3. First exercise: you investigate the appearance of colours. How do colours appear? Where do the basic rays of “screen“ appear - red, green, dark-blue? How do primary colours create remaining palette? How do your thoughts and mood speed and break the process of formation of colour? Simply observe and investigate the possibilities of interface. Make a pause of one-two hours after each exercise. Do not practice too much. Be hackers, nindzyas. Act secretly and carefully with snatches, without the fear, even without “ponts”. Here pay attention on my warning and strictly follow it. As soon as you note the sharp darkening of “interface“ (as if someone passes by you in real, until you lie with the closed eyes, or as if cloud darkens external light), here remove palms from the eyes, spot practising and do not carry out exercises for 12-18 hours. “Darkening“ – easy to say, is the appearance of sys-admin. You should not meet him at this time.

4. Second exercise: you investigate the formation of the learned means. On the screen of “interface“ you see the “atomic soup“ of pre-images. As soon as attention it recovers certain similarity with the means of our “visual library“, the learned means is formed before us. It is interesting to note the layers of the perception of means. On our interface we see images more saturated and multilayered.. With a study of the formation of images first study their appearance, their interrelation with the mechanisms of attention. Find property of “tenacity“ or “stickinesses“ of attention. Try to govern this property. You will learn to accelerate the process of the formation of images and to slow down it with the aid of the property of tenacity / stickinesses

5. Third exercise: find and investigate the official indicators of interface. These are small intensely bright or dark- black specks(spots). They are not similar not to what another, that appears on the screen. They are located on the apexes of the broken toothed line (with invisible - they are visible only point at its lower and upper apexes). Usually they disappear with the fixation of attention. Therefore fix them indirectly, being focused on by anything else. There are 5 indicators (to the left in the lower part and to the middle of screen along horizontal), but sometimes three additional indicators are visible in upper right half of screen.

6. Practice to switch survey from the right to the left eye. You’ll use this habit later.

That is all for now. You have 5 days for the first task.. It s is simple, familiarizing and compulsory. This is entry into the flow of practice. In the reports describe the moments, which interested you. Describe your impressions for each exercise of task. Proclaiming your findings, you store them - actually, you add into the basket of “cherries“, which you tear away from the tree of “that is not known“. General sharing (division with others) by your achievements will allow you to form “group“ language and terminology. It modulates the energy flux of practice by your unique emanations.

The second task you will obtain on 20 August.
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(*) OZH - our dreamer traditional greeting. Our traditions over 600 years. She goes not from toltec, but nearest to druids and rising from zoroastrism. In the south of continent, OZH was transformed to OG. In America - to OZ. The Correct pronunciation listen to Enigma songs (the song name is “The Roundabout“, album is called “Le Roi Est Mort Vive Le Roi!“, 1996). There “zh“ sound need little pull “OZH-ZH-ZH“.

you know, I think it“s a good undoing :) what if we try to discuss our result in English? :)

I“ll make translation of the third task (пфюк agreed to make the second)

In middle first task time, we have got help in the manner of important message from DreamHackers group member “Verificator“:
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Colleagues, I studied this technology too. Not needed make jam and crash your eyes apples :). The pressure of the palms must be soft, rather then traumatic. After exercise, take away the palm from face and little lie with closed eyes, observing color flash. This exercise in general must not have not affect to vision. If you feel vision falling, signifies, you force too much and execute the exercise crudely..
The final goal of this technology is v_i_s_i_b_i_l_i_t_y of amber pond : the centre of the mind , which is boils , and from which are vaporized balls of the thoughts. Nearest balls seize our attention, and we are stuck to him. “We get a one thought“. With this thought (or ball) possible slip out, and then before stick to the other balls you may v_i_e_w “point of the mind“ . And you can reach her !!!
So technology is shocking, but need make this properly - without violence on body. Otherwise body not like this technology, and horseradish you that get something.
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next help we find from old practice log, guided by “masyanya“
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Close the palm of the eye and see to your internal space. Are you see the spot? Imagine that this end of the tunnel. You carry onward or backward. At light of the day your spot is dark. At darkness it light. Notice please, when your desire will approach to edge of the tunnel will render the inverse effect. Learn to find him and move through tunnel, then approach to edge. If this is a black spot, you may mark the teeny points on him. This part of body of the enormous black butterfly. If spot is light, that this part of enormous white butterfly. The Butterflies of the Knowledge. Sharply try to see her whole body! And when she fly away, from her body fall down the magics pollen - a balls of the perception.
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--- TASK 2 ---
OZH
Well, you have good result of first task. Due to support of the Verificator, presented by benefactor role, you have got the bonus - plus one lesson. We will go to the second series easy and simple exercises.
1 exercise: learn to use the indicators of the interface with any kind of methods . Manipulate the indicator may be different methods. I prefer to use the relationship(link) an indicator with solar plexus present.Imagine, you have volume control ring (like radio or music player) and try to rotate this ring to clockwise or counterclockwise. Trick consist in very small rotate. We are already within on necessary range, and needs only little moving (bit of bit) to get the peak of the resonance.
2 exercises: Do experiments with miscellaneous dreamer pose, sitting, lying down, on left or right side. Close the eyes by palms, or by one palm, placing big and middle finger on external angles of eyes. Find its loved pose.
3 exercises: learn to “slip out“ from images: from black screen, with bright blue, from muddy gray picture - from whole areas that you see. Let these images and pre-images go to upwards, fall downwards, leave us from all sides. If you stick to some image, try to rotate image and slip out from this.
Possible, you do not believe, but all that you see before itself, when eyes closed, this is balls of the perception too. You are stick to him and reenter you under rules this space. Some of them slow the internal dialogue, some generate it. Some spaces can enchant you by images or weighty scintilla of the knowledge. Some balls will cause to emotions or stimulate v_i_s_i_o_n. But this only balls of the perception.
Your task in the second series of the exercises is concluded in displacement between these ball. Have Seen the кольца, соскользните from this image. If you see the black darkness, slip out from this ball. You will get very beautiful images. Please, admire them completely and then slip out from them.
4 exercises: Evening before sleep, allow to go in awareness dream, using pictures, which you see on your interface.

The Third task get the August 25. On your questions I will answer after 10th tasks. Now is nothing to answer. We are only begin our practical work.

the song name is “The Roundabout“, album is called “Le Roi Est Mort Vive Le Roi!“, 1996.

in second task process, we get help from Verificator too
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Using the indicators may be miscellaneous methods. I shall tell you, how fixing to them. When on interface (into view) will appear bright or darken point, pay attention to solar plexus, present that there there is regulator to loudness and little rotate him. When adjustment is correct, from bright point on screen of the interface get free the flat ray (as in lazer show on music dances). He will separate the screen first fifty-fifty, but afterwards quickly slip out to the left, creating wall (on another wall side - nagual). With such trick you get:
a) three-dimensional screen, on which you will be in the corner cubic space
b) possibility studies “left side of attention“
c) you will see more other service indicators
Rotate regulator it is necessary very small. Apropos, using regulator of the solar plexus , you may reduce the pain - as beside itself, so and other people. “Doc“ [one of DreamHackers group member] told about this technology on oldest forum on soznan.ru. He described the cure event of palsys by means of this technology. Rotate the regulator in any possible sides. For instance, when you work with pain, you search for the right side of the rotation and degree, under which pain dies down. In some positions of regulator, pain disappears and remains recollection about pains, nearly border upon pain. This recollection “peters out“ with series deep breath and exhalation.
You can try this method to any bright point too. On fact, they are a pulse of the filaments of the visual nerve. You fix the used axon and work with him. That is to say, intercept beside program channel relationship with brain.
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undoubtedly :)

-------TASK3-------
OZH.
The third task relates to magic.
1 exercise: stretch a “screen of darkness“ so that it lasts up higher than the head and down lower than the legs. When you lay with your eyes covered by the hands, you have a set of body sensations. Use it for the pasture of your body image into the “darkness“ of the screen before your look. Direct your sight upwards into darkness - higher than the head. Direct your sight downwards - lower than the legs. Feel by palms your eyeballs motion. Try to look upwards and downwards without moving eyeballs. It will be a new ability. As soon as this thing will turn out at you pay an attention to the feelings in your navel area (maybe a little higher or a little lower). Try to lengthen your “legs“ in the sreen darkness. To lengthen very far downward. Try to shorten yourself as short as possible. A part of attension is on the feelings of the navel area. You will perform actions that are not present in the registers of your reason. The will centre will turn on. Feel its “проявления“. In such way you can change your shape in reality. You can make your shape thin or wide, low or tall. With will (if you imagine it in a form of ray) you can treat wounds, smooth scars and remove fatness and [рубцы] of wounds. It is not an instant process.
2 exercise: achieve presenting of two different pictures in each eye. For example, let the left eye see a bright tunnel and the left eye a dark one. Then try to join two pictures. For example, let it be a coner with two missing tunnels, one of wich is brighter than another. After few successful attempts try to “slant“ your look as you do in the stereoscopical pictures case. The eyeballs must not move. use a new method of sights directing (see exercise 1).
3 exercise: using your success with the second exercise, try to find your totem (nagual) image. It can be a very beautiful human face or a mask or a beast face.
4 exercise: try to imagine your body completely within the screen darkness. Let the darkness or an “atomic soup of the preimages“ surround you from all directions. If you do it right to breathe is not necessary :))
The fourth task you wil get on August 30.
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I failed to find a translation of word [рубцы]. it means almost the same that “scars“ do, but with an accent on its relief.

Hello,

I don“t have much computer access time today.

Just wanted to thank you пфьук for explaining more about solar plexus connecting to sparks, about yellow pond etc - wonderful! Oh and hehehe to say your english is “ugly“ is quite passable as an english sentance, as “ugly“ can be used in such context as a form of slang ;-)

Nikol thank you very much for your translation, it“s far better than what the online translator can do.

Oh and yes, пфьук, the online translator can sound very funny indeed! ;-)

It was a relief to read Nikol“s words as the online translator can be such a struggle to understand. I think many people would be put off going just by translator, but I“ve been determined to follow what“s going on and decipher everything LOL!

I“ve only read through Nikol“s translation so far, but will be reading all messages here over the next day or so.

Thank you all for your time and consideration :-)

Jak

Wow! I just glanced down and saw that пфьук and Diego are also helping with translations. Thank you all for your generous assistance! :-)

More later, when I“ve gone over all the information.

Jak

Hi Jak!
well, you see, I translated the first part of the text up to the exrecises myself using dictionaries. Then I used that awfull online-translator :) because I had too little time to do it myself and moreover I“m not a professional interpreter. Of course I had to correct word-order in the sentences and tried to use special words, but my English is not so good to reproduce the spirit of Ravenna“s messages.

-----TASK 4-------

OZH
Fourth task (average complexity): we search for glueings of layer of “real” and the world of dreams.
Exercise 1:
we see the darkness, enter it, and use our physical perception there; We wait when the images appear and one of them attracts you; you see picture and memorize the atmosphere of the fixed picture;
If you succeed in entering through the images in realised dream( RD), you memorise the subject of dream. In the following five days FIND the atmosphere of the picture you’ve seen or general subject. You’ll find Glueing . You should simply find it, lure, trace or note. Do not be afraid of the task. It is easier than it seems to be.. Or You may try to do it later. This is a very important moment on the way to the controlled dreams. It is the beginning of the conscious entrance into the realised dream. The atmosphere is more abstract than subject. Therefore, after learning to track the atmosphere, come over to the concrete pictures or the subjects.

Exercise 2:
Select in your life the significant subject and FIND it in one of it is ball, soaring in the darkness of unrealised events. You create a link with the Spirit by this exercise. We perceive it’s multy-style thought as “an atomic soup of pre-images”“. Making a reality parts of this “thought“ or finding the events of life in undeveloped pre-images, we enter into the process of the creation of world. The practice of this exercise converts you into the builders of universe - into the mediators of spirit. Certainly, this exercise only creates this connection, and first two hundred times will not change your life, but this is a direct way to the Spirit - its your response to its persistent knock.

Exercise 3:
Intend and enter the realised dream with the help of the images, soaring in the void of the volumetric space.

If you feel tired from the practice (or you want to leave the practice and to rest), use only one of five days( rest for 4 days). No one drives you on, but You’ll not have second chance. This practice is unique. It will be never carried out again.

You’ll get Task 5 on September 5.

--- TASK 5 ---
OZH
On fifth task you have a 10 days. The task very important, and you will do the stride onward if complete him.
Many from you have already found amber pond - a location of the mind. All reported on similar element of the description. This is source of ball perceptions. But where balls moving afterwards? There is cathode, anode must be too.
1 exercise: using earlier presented technology, find the “worry location place“. This phenomenon will present itself as certain magnet , attracting balls of the perception and transforming them in “something“. Authenticity of the phenomenon will is proved by similarity elements descriptions. Describe the form this magnet . That given phenomenon reminds you from everyday life? What area of the body will resound with data by phenomenon?
When performing the task be easy and be imperceptible. Learn to skill to skulk. You will fall into zone of tense worry, and, naturally, this will tell on events of the everyday life. Be attentive and don“t load negative emotions. These 10 days you research the centre of the worry to its lifes. You approach to secret of the recapitulation. To possibility of the unset of the human form. But this your first try attempt, so simply examine the given space. Know all that will be able to know. The clue for finding of this centre will be presented through flight of ball perceptions. They all to fly there. You can be hitched to one of them, and if you do not down to dream, he will bring you to some one important care, but there already and near by centre of the worry.
10 days, conducted in task, will allow you little repose and you can find of lost.
The sixth task you get the September 15.

Di,
щас твоя очередь переводить :))
а то у меня башка скоро треснет от таких несвойственных мне усилий :))

Ni, Pi, да будет так :)

-------TASK6-------
OZH.
The sixth task closes the first cycle of a practical work. Let us sum up.
So we“ve used hackers“ methods and have created especial virtual space, with wich help you can freely enter into the dreaming. To create a new space four elements are needed - the way where you came from and three possible directions. This is a magical rule is being observed always and everywhere: for example, in “Winds“ Rose“ [*1] (describing the physical spaces), in MP [*2] (describing the spaces of events) and in hexagrams (describing the spaces of changes, cause by the events).
We“ve put the purpose - to reach a free entrance into the world of dreaming. In Cabbala it is world of forms (Jesod). Being in Malcut, the world of reality, we can, according to magic rule of four elements, go 1) into Hod, the world of light and glory, 2) into Jesod, the world of dreaming, and 3) into Netzah, the casual world (the world of the Net).
There is one more rule - the rule of similarity. That is that it“s possible to recreate the whole scheme of the Tree of Sephirot between two different worlds. As we are the hackers, our trick is the following thing: creating a virtual space for the following entering into the dreaming world, we injected into it analogs of the world of the linght and the world of the Net. Thus we“ve used the rule of Adam Cadmon (some rule of an Eagle if you prefer) and have made it our rule. We“ve recreated the whole Tree of Sephirot already by that act, that we“ve injected into our viwtual space four staring Sephirots: 1) an “amber pond“ has become an analog of a world the light. 2) the Centre of the Concern has become the analog of the world of the Net. We want to get from 3) reality into the 4) dreaming. Our virtual space is the darkness with the preimages and the perceptional spheres, wich we are diving in, has got under the influence of Tree of Sephirot laws and thus has inherited all its properties. In this system the same force and magic as in Sephirotical system is made.

I hope you have uderstood what I meant.

THE SIXTH TASK

1exercise: enter into our virtual space once again, determine the direction of the preimages and images (the sheres of perception) movement. If you fail to determine the direction of these elements movement, imagine it, cause it with your force of will (who eventually is the owner of your mind!).
2exercise: having determined the direction of the preimages and images movement, such observing position, that you can see the spheres of perception moving from left to right or from right to left, from above downwards or from below upwards. Here the main thing is an accuracy of positioning. Spheres and preimages must not move from you or to you. (You mustn“t be on an axis of its movement).
3exercise: as soon as you occupy right position, “penetrate“ into any of perception spheres. “Spear“ its “wall“ entering in there, permeate inside. In some cases you“ll notice a resistance or will be simply rejected by sphere or preimage. You have to use your own (preferable) method of permeating. It can be a force breach or hard and fast spearing or mild pressing. Everyone has his ownstyle of a contact with the surrounding world. Keep the picture statical for some time. Don“t let it move. Hold this pause for some time: 1-2 minutes for the begining. Afterwards switch the plot into playing mode. Try to rule its process: stop it and let it continue.

Prevent your [самодеятельность *4] like flights, contacts with the sprites [*3]... and other childish nonsense. Your purpose is getting a control over the lucid deaming. The first property we will work over is a playing of the plot. Focuse whole your attension on this playing only.

The seventh task will be given on September 20.
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comments.
*1. “Winds“ Rose“ or “The Rose of the Winds“ is a russian book of an author Daniel Andreev. here is a link of the site in English [roseofworld.org].
*2. Medici Patience is a dreamhackers technic. There was materials about it on the site [p222.ezboard.com/bsorcery], but I can“t find them. I suppose, they were lost. Still you can talk to Explora, maybe she has the materials. Now she must be (as I think) at forum of SeaLife. She has been communicating with hdoll (one of dreamhackers) in year 2003 or nearly.
*3. Sprites are creatures of the dreaming world - beasts, humen and others. Imortant is that when we say “sprite“ we mean some programs with zero percents of awarness. And we don“t mean dreamers who realize there dream or unorganical creatures.
*4. word [самодеятельность] is a kind of activity when you decide what to do on your own. You act like you have no purpose.

Greetings everyone!

My name“s Nick. I run a website - the Dream of Peace Network:

http://www.dreamofpeace.net/

Hdoll passed on a link to this thread, so it seemed appropriate to join in the discussion. I have, as Diego mentioned been involved with Dreamhackers since about 2003. My first contact with Dreamhackers, begin with a dream in which I found myself visiting a website about “lucid dreaming“ and “hacking“. When I saw Hdolls post, I knew that I had to sit up and pay attention.

My own dreaming has evolved and expanded upon some layers of the Dreamhackers practise, particularly concerning the integration of stalking programs with a very important discovery known as the Law of Time.

The Law of Time, together with it“s most practical application in the form of the 13 Month 28 Day Calendar, is what brings the manifestation of events on the 3rd dimensional plane, together in a state of “harmonic synchronisation“.

The value in me referencing this discovery was made clear immediately, through the means of synchronicity itself. Someone wanted me to update a link to the Russian website of the 13 Moon Calendar movement.

http://newtime.earthsky.ru/

My interest then is in the integration of two closely connected storylines. My dreams have shown me how the work of the Dreamhackers, is to contribute to the development of tools and practises, designed to absorb and engage our little minds, in the far vaster and richer awareness of the noosphere (our planet“s mental envelope).

It is great to have so many wonderful people, here to share and support one another in the exploration of the materials of Dreamhackers.

Nick

Hi Nick
Cool sites. Thanks.

Hi, Nick! I“d like to talk to you. Could you write me an e-mail to versusnr[at]yandex.ru?

Haha, Jak!!! Amazing, girl!!!!!!!!!

And all of you! Nikol, Ravenna - you r great!

First of all, thanks for the recent translations. I“m a bit behind as have been having computer problems.

Hey Cayetana! It“s VERY good to see you here! :-) After checking out the link from your “advert“ of Ravenna“s tasks on your lonebird forum, I“m hooked, it“s all very intriguing :-)

And hey Nick, glad to read you too :-)

Jak

------TASK 7 -------

OZH
The seventh Task opens cycle of exercises directed to the link of the first and second attention. You already know, how difficult it is to remember my Tasks entering in a realized dream. In usual conditions by transfer(transmission) of knowledge from Instructor to the pupils would need some years for link of the first and second attention. But as we prefer hackers’ methods, the time can radically be reduced.

So 7 Task.
We again come back to indicators of your interface. If you do not see them, create with the help of will or imagination. Place them in the left lower corner(angle) of space of darkness. At any your maneuvers in this space they should remain in theirs position. It will be our tradition. Three auxiliary indicators are necessary for you, as a minimum. You have already attempted to connect the first with a “plexus system”. This indicator responds for «depth» of space or, speaking technical terms, for «saturation».

Exercise 1: create the second regulator and connect it with sinuses of a nose. Previously you should learn to focus attention on this area. Find by fingers small pits in a bone of a skull under eyes between lumps of cheek-bone and a nose. Scan by a wave of attention of a place under pits (on width of the pin inside). At a correct focusing of attention you will feel strange sensation in angles of your eyes
A former technique: you should change a status of the regulator (indicator), manipulating your sensation received from activation of that or other center of an energy body. The given regulator responds for «connect» (connection) between the first and second attention.

Exercise 2: create the third regulator and connect it with right «lump» on a nape. Feel a nape, find pit in the basis of a skull and two lumps on the sides of a nape.. This third regulator is some kind of « a voice-frequency anchor ». It is possible to say, that your realized dreams will be more well-ordered.

If you want to improve fixing attention in operating system, use already described in materials of Dreamhackers methods with squinting of eyes, magic pictures and Daosses’ balls.

You“ll receive Task 8 on September 25.
Ravenna.

--- TASK 8 ---
OZH

The Eighth task is directed on link reinforcement our virtual space with real.
1 exercise: use the indicator and energy centre of the solar plexus for heal itself or the other person from some illness. Try to snap out of itself or friends from pain or palsy. Lead interactive testings. Let this person is opened to pains. Let afford to outlive most maximum of current pain. Then tune (very small) the regulator of the centre of the solar plexus (your plexus, not your friend plexus). Ask him, is pain became less or more? Accordingly his answer,try to continue turning. With experience, will come understanding the energy base of the process to you. Later by means of got skill, you will can remove the pain, palsies, wake up people from coma and remove other margin states.
2 exercises: in problem-solving situations, try to use the sensation right back area of head. With rotating of sensation in that or other side, try to obtain the weakenings to tension in situations or solving of the appeared problem.
3 exercises: try to obtrude whomever its opinion by means of “rotations“ of sensation in the field of nose sinuses. You need prudence in choice of the obtruded opinion. Don“t become the rapist. Remain the hacker and ninja. Your manipulate by other people must remain unespied.
These exercises are given you not for become change your life style. Personally I do not want to make healer, pacifier or manipulator by human consciousness from you . But you should get acquainted with these application and use this skill.
“Rotate“ feeling - this the most optimum description that that occurs indeed. Having Discussed this subject on forum, you get more deep understanding given speech figure.
The Ninth task will is given September 30.

I think that some things are becoming true now.... just like SI said it )

Good luck to all of you.... interesting things happen.

-----TASK9-----
OZH.

The ninth task is incredibly simple. You shall carry out it in a free style.
1 exercise: using received skills enter into lucid dreaming.
2 exercise: using tuners of the energetical centers fixate your position in LD.
3 exercise: from now onwards use tuners for deepening your awarness in the casual or intended LDs.
4 exercise: bring more ease and belief in yourself into your practise.

You are given 10 days for this task. Pkane the practise so that you have period of rest, period of waiting for the Spirit sign and period of intensive efforts. From 5 to 9 of October intensivity of our seminar stream will be increased many times over. In spite of this rely on yourself and only yourself.

Tenth task you“ll get on October 10.

Hi again,

I“ve been away for a few days. Glancing up, looks like some posts that were there have now gone. Do you know what happens to those posts? I can“t see task 1. I had a few questions, but can“t refer back (would be good to refer to Nikol“s translation of 1st one, rather than online translator“s one as it“s much better).

Jak, look at the top of current page. there is a link to the whole list of messages. close by this link the name of the topic (Ravenna“s Lessons) locates.

Hi, Jak!
you can view only 20 messages on this link only.
right link to fall topic with all messages is
http://www.aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4463a.htm
russian “последние 20 из 35“ = english “last 20 from 35“ (see top black line here)
and ... russian language is best of the world :)))
if you need something - welcome!

Hi Jak, Cayetana, and all,

I“m interested in learning more about these tasks, I started experimenting with just the first ones. Could someone explain what (ponts) are. What exactly is being referred to when you speak of Darkening and also this reference to the sys-admin. and not meeting him.

Would appreciate any advice on this.

Thanks,
Barbara



Act secretly and carefully with snatches, without the fear, even without “ponts”. Here pay attention on my warning and strictly follow it. As soon as you note the sharp darkening of “interface“ (as if someone passes by you in real, until you lie with the closed eyes, or as if cloud darkens external light), here remove palms from the eyes, spot practising and do not carry out exercises for 12-18 hours. “Darkening“ – easy to say, is the appearance of sys-admin. You should not meet him at this time.

Hi Barbara!

lol....synonyms of the word “ponts“ are: airs, conceit, arrogance, haughtiness.
Something like that :)

Nikol“,

Or “being stuck up“.

Barbara, I think these lessons wouldn“t be so interesting if Ravenna explained every task in details. She leaves some things for our discussion. This is what some witches call “interactivity“ :)

Hi пфьук :-)

thanks! Hahaha I didn“t realise where to click!

Makes it much easier now to refer to

Jak

Hey Barbara!

Great to see you here!

Love Jak

Hi,

here are 4 questions concerning the first task. Thanks to whoever has the time and inclination to answer them.

1) “The declared purpose is a research of labyrinths in different dreaming spaces (possibly, we will not even touch this purpose, but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it).“
In the above quote, what is meant by “but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it“?

2) also, like you Barbara, I“m interested in understanding more about system admin, however seems like Ravenna thinks we“re not meant to know much about them at this stage of tasks, is that right? (that“s how text seems to read). Or do you all have more understanding of him/her?

3) “you investigate the formation of the learned means“. What is meant by “learned means“?

4) “find and investigate the official indicators of interface. These are small intensely bright or dark- black specks(spots). They are not similar not to what another, that appears on the screen.“ What is meant by “They are not similar not to what another, that appears on the screen“?

Thank you for your time,

Jak

Q: “The declared purpose is a research of labyrinths in different dreaming spaces (possibly, we will not even touch this purpose, but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it).“
In the above quote, what is meant by “but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it“?
A: other words
“but on the “label“ of trigon it will be precisely it“

Q: also, like you Barbara, I“m interested in understanding more about system admin, however seems like Ravenna thinks we“re not meant to know much about them at this stage of tasks, is that right? (that“s how text seems to read). Or do you all have more understanding of him/her?
A: i think, Ravenna warn us about possible individual negative effects this task,
and recommended not try to overcome this effects. need be careful and hiding.

Q: “you investigate the formation of the learned means“. What is meant by “learned means“?
A: oh, sorry. read next, please:
“4. Second exercise: you investigate the formation of the recognized images. On the screen of “interface“, you can see the “atomic soup“ of pre-images. As soon as attention recovers certain similarity with the images of our “visual library“, you may view forming of recognized image. Next interesting, you may note the layers of the perception of images. On our interface, we see images more saturated and multilayered. On research of the formation of images, firstly probe their appearance, their interrelation with the mechanisms of attention. Find property of “tenacity“ or “stickinesses“ of attention. Try to govern this property. Learn to accelerate the process of the formation of images and to slow down it with the aid of the property of tenacity / stickinesses

Q: “find and investigate the official indicators of interface. These are small intensely bright or dark- black specks(spots). They are not similar not to what another, that appears on the screen.“ What is meant by “They are not similar not to what another, that appears on the screen“?
A: indicators have another form, not similar to other objects of the screen.
which form? you must find it and describe.
thats all ;)

regardz!

Jak, I shall explain пфьук“s last idea. As I mentioned above, some witches think, that interactivity is an important thing. That is why they don“t explain every detail of the task. And that“s why we discuss every task with such interest. We discuss them in the separate threads. For example, there is a thread “ОТЧЕТЫ по практикуму Равенны-2“ [“REPORTS of the Ravenna“s seminar-2“]. There we were speaking of our results in the second task. Join our discussion! If someone wants to translate your message he will do so.
here are direct links to all these threads:
http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4122.htm
http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4183.htm
http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4256.htm
http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4390.htm
http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4469.htm
But in the first page you“ll find also reports of the previous seminar that was held last autumn by Ravenna too. The last page is discussion of the current (9th) task.

пфьук,

thank you for attending to my questions :-)

You said: “but on the “label“ of trigon it will be precisely it“. Actually I“m still having trouble with this one. Both with the words “poster“ and “label“, and also, perhaps most importantly, with what is meant by trigon. Taking it that this means a triangle, the question is, a triangle of what? There may be some ambiguity intentinoally left with the tasks, but when there“s a language barrier, unfortunately it can leave one completely “miffed“ (puzzled :-)

Thank you for your other answers. They helped understand more. WHen you say “recognised images“ (instead of learned means) do you mean you have to look out only for images that you recognise and ignore those that are not familiar? Or do you use the word recognise to mean the moment you notice an image appear in the darkness behind closed eyes (whatever that image might be)?

As for the indicators, I“m pretty sure I“ve found them. They are glowing small balls. They stay fixed for a while, then fade out and others appear. Does that sound like what you see?

Thanks again for your help :-)

Jak

I had some intense experiences the night before last. I“ll explain them briefly.

One of the glowing blobs in the darkness became for a moment as if I was looking up at a hot air balloon, as soon as I noticed this and knew it was a dream starting, the blob “threw“ itself into the centre of my vision, and then started bobbing up and down really fast (like I used to see a lot as a child). I then kept enetring different glowing balls over and over again, or rather they would come at me (although have entered dreaming through such glowing “hole“ before - where the dream image was inside it, then it came nearer and nearer until surrounded me then was in dream scene) But this time it was different, I was falling. It was very familiar. There was a creaking noise, I knew it was meant to be an elevator, like I was in an elevator. The atmosphere was very strong. And quite freaky. There was a door and I knew that beyond the door was the normal dreams that people find themselves in. I went beyond the door briefly, to investigate. I spoke with someone, but rushed back to behind the small door. Very strange experiences. Also some of the experiences were like a dream within a dream. I kept going through the glowing blobs, and then I“d be falling again. I knew exactly what “falling asleep“ now means! At the end was a false awakening, where there was a strange noise that came from inside myself. When I finally woke up I felt scared, but also a feeling of accomplishment.

If anyone has had similar, would like to hear. For instance, the falling, the creaking and the strange noise coming from inside myself.

Jak

Diego,

thanks for the links, I“m checking them out, but it“s a slow process because taking in the online translations gives one a headache after a while!

I understand what you mean about interactivty, and not explaining everything in task. However, most things I don“t understand are due to language barrier.

Jak

Hi, Jak

about Trigon of Intentions.
DreamHackers using a special “Technology of success achievement“ for any important things.
This technology is easy for understanding, but need ...mmm... more words :)
Breafly, I can say the next thing: we need make a trigon, consist from three lines of diffrent kind of intentions.
Two of this lines will be strong, third is light.
Other words, we put efforts to two point (make two lines a strong).
Result of this efforting, we get a strong third line.
Automatically!
Understand?
We can using other pattern of strong and light lines too.
For our practice Ravenna make the next trigon:
---
1. Primary purpose of the outstanding feature of the controlled dreams is the controlled entrance into the realised dream (you want and you enter without any conditions and limitations).
2. The declared purpose is a research of labyrinths in different dreaming spaces (possibly, we will not even touch this purpose, but on the poster of trigon it will be precisely it).
3. But my Secret purpose is to teach you the art of the consciousness. I will attain this purpose by manipulations and deceit (not you and not your mind).
---
Ravenna - responible of Secret purpose.
You need realize Primary purpose.
Result of trigon working, be realize Declared purpose (automatically).
Hope, You understand now ?

About recognized images.
Little example: you will see nonregular color spot.
But after one-two second, your mind will transform this spot to beautiful woman face.
Try to research this process.
Next step may be a transform this face to bright flower.
Try to research too.
Researh transformation mechanism of your mind.

About indicators. Your sound is like :))
And read my message #12 of this topic.
This indicator have second option.
Wonder and important option.

Best Regards!

Jak, about creaking, strang noice from inside ...
maybe this related to ... mmm ... meteorism ;)

------- TASK # 10 --------
OZH

Your progress is very good. In the sign of approval I give you one more easy Task. As far as it is easy I would ask you to write into your note-book significant events of past 5 day on evenings. We’ll use these notes next Task. Please write down 4-5 significant events per day. Totally You should have 20-25.

The tenth TASK is provocative. You should load in(sink into) our virtual space, and when images or pre-images begin to occur, sharply open your eyes. After opening eyes, blink two - three times and load again into a space of the interface. Repeat it some times. A bit later (and at some good luck) sys-admin (system administrator) will come to you. Meet him. Appreciate your body’s reactions. Don’t be afraid of the meeting. When his presence will begin press on your body too much, open your eyes, and stop practice with usage «of the interface seeing» for about 18-20 hours.

Sys-admin is a development of 6-th Gebur’s sfere (STRICTNESS). We can neither control this force, nor obey it. But you should know, that such link and capability exist. Pay attention, that the effect of sys-admin resembles “rolled force”, described by Castaneda (though it is not a rolling).

If you managed to see «sys-admin» once, consider Task 10 to be carried out.

You’ll get Task 11 on October 15.

Hi пфьук,

thanks once again for your help!

Yes, finally, with regards trigon, some understanding is dawning on me lol

Also, I understand about recognised images now.

I re-read message 12. There was the mention of seeing a part of black butterfly and white butterfly, and as it flies off it showers many balls of perception - that“s what you“re talking about right?

>Jak, about creaking, strang noice from inside ...
>maybe this related to ... mmm ... meteorism ;)

I think this is a jokey remark about possible astrological effects? <sigh> the language barrier can be very frustrating at times! :-)

Thanks again for your time, I have much more understanding of it all already. Interestingly, much of what you say confirms my suspicions. It seems simply engaging on the task reveals a lot in itself.

Jak

Thanks for the further translations :-)

jak

Jak, its my error!
message # 15 tell you more about second option of indicators.
about link astrology with body meteorism :))) well, maybe, why not?
some asteroid or comet must be ressponsibility for this effect too :))
seriously, i hear this sounds too, sometime, related to moon phase day.
but not permanently, not in each moon month.
your described dream and knowing answer on question,
tell us about right course, or way in joining process of Ravenna“s practice.
respect and save intention and easy!

Hi пфьук,

ahh, i see the post you mean now.

The other day, when observing the indicators, I noticed a strong feeling (sensation)in that region.

As for astrological influences, I am open to such possibilities. In fact, for quite a long time I kept a record of the moon cycle in relationship with my lucids/obes. I found “active“ times (where a lot of my lucids/obes occurred) were in the period 1 week before and after the full moon.

>your described dream and knowing answer on question,
>tell us about right course, or way in joining process of Ravenna“s practice.

could you explain this further, which question?

Jak

Jak
i keep in view your phrase :
“Interestingly, much of what you say confirms my suspicions.“
and some moments in described dream.
you understand it later, because this effect will be deeper.
next my note - “push to tempo“ :)
each task lasts five day.

пфьук,

yes, tasks have deadlines. A few of us have recently started up an english speaking group to work intimately on the tasks. It“s good to share with you all here, but the fact that you are ahead with the tasks and also the language barrier (I checked out the links Diego sent, and the translation is really hard to make much sense out of most of it) meant that it made sense to start an english speaking group who start on the tasks from scratch.

I still like to talk with you all here, and also will on other parts of this forum that relate to the task we“re working on (to those who can speak in english. Wish there wasn“t the language barrier)

Jak

Jak
welcome to you and your friends too!
we translated tasks, after viewing online tools result.
result is joke :)))
and we help to you for best understanding task.
we have small english language practice, sorry.
and we can“t manage to practice.
our teacher - Ravenna.
we have only task description too,
but we talk about our experiences.
Ravenna not comment our results, it is important!
she works with us from second attention.
she read our reports immediately and change something (we don“t knowing what).
we feel this chagings, we feel interactive process.
hint: Ravenna have experience with english!
and our practic is hard, instead of your,
because we can“t know next task, understand?
i and my friends try to help you for break language barier only.
most of other doings need and must you only!
read introduction in practice - be interactive in your group!
it is best tool for practice work.
may be tomorrow, Nicol (our chief of practice),
will make special topic for your group reports,
and we will begin read and wright messages together - it is interesting!
second note - our russian messages may have grammatic errors, slang and rare words (jokes).
it is big problem :)) but not critical i think.
if you read and feel important things - make a question.
if you have other questions related to dreamhackers - send messages.
welcome, please!
we try to answer, but not quickly then with russian text.
regardz and come together in practice stream!
i think langauge barier will not be a present in second attention :)

by the way. пфюк is right. Ravenna said that she will answer some our question after the tenth task. the momen has come :) you and your friends can ask questions too (in English). the thread is here http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4658.htm

Hi пфьук,

without a doubt it is invaluable to be able to speak with those of you who can speak some english, you have really assisted us with getting a better understanding of the online translations. Starting our own little group made sense because we start from the beginning, and also because english is our first langauge, we can talk at length about everything we encounter.

However, we certainly can talk meaningfully here and yes like you say we understand most of the important things.

We are very grateful for all advice you and others have offered us, any contributing ideas/assistance can only be of benefit.

hahaha yes the second attention will be easier to convey what we mean ;-)

Jak

Hi Diego,

I don“t think it“s appropriate for us to ask questions right now, as we have only just “officially“ started the first task together (in our group). But hopefully we will still be able to make use of that link you gave in a few weeks?

Jak

I“ve just posted my first report on the group I belong to. Is it appropriate to post it on the relevant part of this forum where you all reported about first task?

Jak

Hi Jak!
You may post your reports on 1 and 2 Tasks here:

http://www.aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4687.htm#lastinfo

ok Nikol, I“ll do that. Thanks

Ж
In the eleventh task we enter the concept of time into our virtual space. Using saved up by you fixed « significant events », you can create a stream of images or spheres of the perception, directed from the present time to the past. Here our purpose is research of inertia of such stream. Whether it will carry away you in the past further? To which memoirs? How it is possible to use the found memoirs for returning “luminosity“?
1 exercise: put near to itself a leaf with your records about significant events. You should move from “yesterday“s“ events to “yesterday“s“ and so on - from recent events to old - gradually and in regular intervals. That is, evening events will precede day time, and day time - morning. Take two-rub events and enter them into our virtual space. By means of imagination quickly recreate the frame of the first (from the end of present time) events: its background, participants and an atmosphere. Dialogues it is let out, your creative processing of events it is let out. We do the same with the second, then with the third event. We consult to the list and we take in work two-rub following events. And so on up to the end of the list. Firstly it will turn out hardly and will cause any difficulties. Mark all difficulties (if necessary write down your ideas for the subsequent analysis).
2 exercise: mark memoirs which try to enter into a stream of looked through events. Fix these memoirs. The greatest attention to those memoirs which will follow in the end of your chain of events. Remember their sequence and fix on a paper for the further analysis.
3 exercise: repeat exercises 1 and 2, but with introduction in a stream of those memoirs (in that sequence) which you have caught at the first run of your significant memoirs.

That we shall do, reminds progress from the present in the past. At each run of chains of events we start to shake “swing“ of memory. We start to investigate system of time in our mechanism of perception.

You receive the twelfth task on October, 20th. I shall answer questions in frames of your messages. You will need to glance in the subject, and there soon there will be my answers.

Thanks for the latest translation.
I wonder if anyone can tell me what does “OS“ or “OSy“ mean? I“ve been meaning to ask for a while. I read the following sentance at the part of forum where Ravenna is answering questions:

“ I consider, that each person experienced set of the moments of the realized dreams in the life. However not everyone can practise OSy and the more so controllable dreams.“

Thanks

Jak

“OS“ or “OSy“ - Wrong translation of Lucid Dreaming ;-)))

Jak, the abbreviation “LD“ (lucid dreaming) sounds like “OS“ in Russian.

yes. OS=LD. Russian: Osoznanie Snovidenie

Thanks Swift, Diego and Killer for explaining :-)

Hi,

can anyone help us understand this from 2nd task:

“You are stick to him and reenter you under rules this space.“

(The 2nd task translation is earlier on in this thread)

Thanks,

Jak

Hi again,

need help understanding below from 2nd task because some words didn“t translate:

“Your task in the second series of the exercises is concluded in displacement between these ball. Have Seen the кольца, соскользните from this image. “

Thanks :-)

Jak

My final question from 2nd task concerns the following:

“4th exercise: Evening before sleep, allow to go in awareness dream, using pictures, which you see on your interface.“

When Ravenna says evening before sleep, does she mean directly before going to sleep, or in the evening when you“re going to be awake for a bit longer afterwards?
I think it“s the former, but just wanted to check.

Jak

Jak
Re your : #71
the word “кольца“ means rings - image like this OОоооо00000

re: #72
evenings before sleeping- has direct meaning- your entrance to realized dream just after you see images in front of you on your interface. You should use this images for it.

re #70
here you should not catch on (cling to) the image but just slide off/slip off it.

“Have Seen the кольца, соскользните from this image.“
:))) sorry :(
If you have seen the rings, reset this rings.
Reset the image of this ring from your interface.
How? Using your attention, manipulating with him.

“You are stick to him and reenter you under rules this space.“
each sphere of perseption have own athmosphere and persons, objects and main plot.
when you come in this sphere,
this process look like a connect or glue to or stick to sphere.
and plot of this sphere have own rules, related to athmosphere, persons and objects.
for example, sphere with your room have diffrent rules instead of sphere with forest walk
or sphere with stripping from monsters :)

about final question
she mean directly before going to sleep process, before loading to simple dream.
you need sprain this process, place your anchors, feel and memorize certain stages.
put into this process your awarness, tricks, bugs :)

Thank you Nikol and пфьук for your help.

Nikol you say “the word “кольца“ means rings - image like this OОоооо00000“, do you mean the rings in the darkness that move outwards, like in waves?

пфьук please could you explain what you mean by resetting the rings? I don“t actually understand what you mean by resetting them (that“s if I understand properly what the rings are! lol)

I“m trying to get as clear description as possible, so that we understand the instructions.

Thanks for your time both of you,

Jak

well, i using token reset for this process, but i think ... it“s for me :( only.
maybe need using token “clear“ or “fade“?
no.
by intently see this ring, you willl see that is not a ring, really.
it is may be other image or fractal figure or other objects.
try force lost this object, lost interest or attention.
this trick is important for dreamer!
the best example related to interface -
minimize window to taskbar :)
understand ?
“OOooooo0000“ - not a wave, Nicol keyboard is bad :)
may be she is sleep, when write message, may be she made it specially ;)

Hi пфьук,

I“m wondering if I“m thinking of the same thing when you say ring. I thought you meant when you get the rings waving inwards/outwards (almost pulsating). But now I“m not sure. Maybe you mean something that is fixed and circular shaped. So before I attempt to understand about resetting the rings, I want to make sure I know what you mean by ring ;-)

I understand about taking attention off the different images that form from the darkness, and then wait for the next image and so on (practicing drawing oneself back from the imagery) I do this already.

I“m not sure what Nikol meant by those 00000, I thought she was trying to explain the ring effect that waves inwards/outwards, but now I“m not sure. Do you mind clarifying Nikol? Thanks :-)

Thanks for your help пфьук :-)

Jak

Hi again,

was wondering about this:

“Manipulation of the indicator may be done using
different methods. I prefer to use the relationship(link) between
indicator and solar plexus.Imagine, you have volume control ring
(like radio or music player) and try to rotate this ring clockwise or
counterclockwise. “

is this control meant to be situated at the solar plexus itself? Or at the indicator?

Thanks,

Jak

about Nikol“s ring:
he-he :)
i not sure too ;)

about solar plexus:
Killer, (our big practice expert) using next mechanism -
he made hole in solar plexus (using a drill),
insert radio volume control there,
he made hole in left eye apple (using needle),
and made link between holes with wire cable.
after little trening,
(rotating control, cable is very short or long,
he received a bright indicator, and sore too :))),
you reset this tools,
and for right using, he only imagine this construction - her left eye is flashing :)
understand?
you need imagine link between indicator and regulator.
this link already exist,
(eyes iris have all body part proections!)
but need intensify this link with little-little rotation of regulator in plexus.

OZH

lol :)))
by OOOooo0000 - I meant different sizes and forms of that spot before my eyes.

Hi,

thanks for previous clarifications.

Could anyone explain the following words:

prosypanija

miroopisanija

and also abbreviation:

OVD

Thanks for your help :-)

OZH

prosypanija- waking up
miroopisanija-cosmography
OVD-word for word translation: Stop of Inner Dialog

miroopisanija = the description of world
prosypanija = the process of waking up

Thanks Nikol for the explantion and proctor for further clarification :-)

Jak

Deutsche Übersetzung

Die erste Aufgabe
Ich bin Ravenna. Ich bilde einen Bericht für die, die nicht aus am vorhergehenden Training teilnahmen. Wir leiten 15 Seminare und wenn wir sie dann mögen, fahren wir fort. Der Grundgedanke, wenn diese Seminare “ein volles Eintauchen“ in Träumenpraxis aber nicht in die Aufgaben selbst ist. Für solch ein “Eintauchen“, zum stattzufinden You`ll müssen aktives an ihm teilnehmen. Und ich möchte, daß Sie Ihre Resultate innerhalb Ihrer Träumenmannschaft aber nicht mit mir besprechen. Ich fange an, Ihre durchführbaren Fragen nach der 10. Aufgabe zu beantworten. Sie müssen im Dampfkessel dieses Nettoseminars “gänzlich“ kochen. Sie müssen “wander und für die alchemic Sublimation reifen“. Um die Resultate zu gewinnen müssen Sie Ihre Praxis gerade von der ersten Aufgabe besprechen. Jedes, das Sie nur für bearbeiten. Das ist warum “Verriegelung“ Ihr Anstand, Shyness, Bescheidenheit und tötet sie oder wird sie während einiger Zeit los. Öffnen Sie sich für den Fluß (Strom) und melden Sie es an. Publikum bleiben “an Land“ und sie kichern und pfeifen zu Ihnen. Beachten Sie nicht sie, welche die Publikum nichts erhalten. Dieses Lachen ist das Lachen an ihrer Schwäche. Was Sie anbetrifft, Sie teilen Ihre Resultate und erlernen den Flug der Phantasie, Mut, Freiheit der Fesseln umfaßten Ihre Vorstellung. Wenn Sie jemand durch Ihre Pfosten “dämpfen“, ist es ihr Problem aber, gerade falls uns darin übereinstimmen lassen Sie, daß Sie Ihre Reports einmal täglich bekanntgeben. Was Anmerkungen anbetrifft können Sie sie frei senden. Jedes Seminar dauert 5 Tage. Einige von ihnen sind für Sie einfach, schwieriges einiges. Es ist ziemlich möglich, daß niemand einige von ihnen tut. Aber es ist nicht ein Ausfall. Gerechter Versuch. Verfahren des Eingangs: während der folgenden 3 Tage müssen Sie den “Fluß“ des Trainings eintragen. “wer nicht Zeit hatte, daß es spät war“. Lesen Sie das Verfahren des Eingangs unten. Er basiert auf einer starken Dreamhackers Methode, die “Schnittstelle des Anblicks“ genannt wird. Wir verwenden dieses Mittel für diesen Grund, der, den wir das trigon der Absicht verursachen sollten. Primärzweck der hervorragenden Eigenschaft der kontrollierten Träume ist der kontrollierte Eingang in den verwirklichten Traum (Sie wünschen und Sie kommen ohne irgendwelche Bedingungen und Beschränkungen) herein. Der erklärte Zweck ist eine Forschung der Labyrinthe in den unterschiedlichen träumenden Räumen (vielleicht, berühren wir nicht sogar diesen Zweck, aber auf dem Plakat von trigon ist es genau es). Aber mein geheimer Zweck ist, Ihnen die kunst des Bewußtseins beizubringen. Ich erreiche diesen Zweck durch Handhabungen und Betrug (nicht Sie und nicht Ihr Verstand). Schließlich verstehen Sie, wem wird dieser Betrug an verwiesen. Lassen Sie uns jetzt sprechen über die “Schnittstelle des Anblicks“. Diese Methode muß identisch für jedes von Ihnen, im Gebrauch einfach und einfach sein. Lassen Sie uns sie, zu verursachen beginnen. 1. liegen Sie unten im ruhigen Platz, schließen Augen und Abdeckung mit ihren Palmen (nicht durch die Räum der Palmen, aber mit der Unterseite zwischen den Dämmen des Daumens und Rand der Palme) Druck auf den Augen natürlich ist, Stoß, muß gemäßigt sein. Unser Anblick wird zu 2 Modi abgeschaffen: externer Anblick und interner Blick. Mit dem Hilfsmittel der Palmen schließen wir den dritten Modus ein, der “nicht-dokumentiert“ sogenanntes ist. Mit einem Druck der Palmen auf den Augäpfeln tritt die spezielle Aktivierung der optischen Nerven, die viele Tests einschließt, vollendet durch das Programm des Bewußtseins auf, welches das Programm klar die Gründe für den Ausfall der Benutzermodi des Anblicks und wir ` ll Gebrauch der Zugang zum System bildet. Haltung mit den Palmen auf den Augen erlaubt Ihnen nicht, “hinunter“ in den Traum zu rollen. Sie ist auch einer der Vorteile der Methode. 2. Gut von allen, wenn beide Palmen sind, seien mit den Fingern auf der Stirn solches Symbol/_ _. angegrenzt Sie wenn Sie liegen, wenig warten Sie, damit die Nachwirkungen, erreicht vom Licht und von den Flecken des Lichtes des Lichtes, zerstreut würden. D.h. einfach Sie bleiben mit den geschlossenen Augen. Und bedecken Sie sie dann mit Palmen. Es gibt den schwarzen und weißen Schirm “der interface“in Frontseite von Ihnen. Es gibt die “Gärung“ bestimmter Streifen, Punkte und Vorbilder auf ihr. 3. Erste Übung: Sie forschen das Aussehen von Farben nach. Wie erscheinen Farben? Wo sehen die grundlegenden Strahlen “des Schirmes“ - rot aus, grün, dunkelblau? Wie stellen Primärfarben restliche Palette her? Wie beschleunigen Ihre Gedanken und Stimmung und brechen den Prozeß der Anordnung der Farbe? Einfach beobachten Sie und forschen Sie die Möglichkeiten der Schnittstelle nach. Bilden Sie eine Pause von one-two Stunden nach jeder Übung. Üben Sie nicht zu viel. Seien Sie Häcker, nindzyas. Tat geheim und sorgfältig mit Snatches, ohne die Furcht, glätten ohne “ponts“. Zahlen Sie hier Aufmerksamkeit auf meiner Warnung und folgen Sie ihr ausschließlich. Sobald Sie das scharfe Verdunkeln “der Schnittstelle“ merken (als ob jemand durch Sie in realem überschreitet, bis Sie mit den geschlossenen Augen liegen, oder als ob Wolke externes Licht verdunkelt), hier entfernen Sie Palmen von den Augen, den übenden Punkt und führen Sie nicht Übungen 12-18 Stunden lang durch. “verdunkelnd“ - einfach ist zu sagen, das Aussehen von System-sys-admin. Sie sollten nicht ihn diesmal treffen. 4. Zweite Übung: Sie forschen die Anordnung der gelehrten Mittel nach. Auf dem Schirm “der Schnittstelle“ sehen Sie die “Atomsuppe“ von Vorbildern. Sobald Aufmerksamkeit es bestimmte Ähnlichkeit mit den Mitteln unserer “Sichtbibliothek“ zurückgewinnt, wird die gelehrten Mittel vor uns gebildet. Es ist interessant, die Schichten der Vorstellung von Mitteln zu merken. Auf unserer Schnittstelle sehen wir die gesättigten und vielschichtigen Bilder. Mit einer Studie der Anordnung von Bildern studieren Sie zuerst ihr Aussehen, ihre Wechselbeziehung mit den Einheiten der Aufmerksamkeit. Finden Sie Eigenschaft “von Hartnäckigkeit“ oder “von stickinesses“ der Aufmerksamkeit. Versuchen Sie, diese Eigenschaft zu regeln. Sie erlernen beschleunigen den Prozeß der Anordnung von Bildern und verlangsamen hinunter sie mit dem Hilfsmittel der Eigenschaft von Hartnäckigkeit/von stickinesses 5. Dritte Übung: finden Sie und forschen Sie die amtlichen Anzeigen der Schnittstelle nach. Diese sind kleines intensiv helles oder dunkles schwarzes specks(spots). Sie sind nicht nicht ähnlich, was anders, das auf dem Schirm erscheint. Sie sind auf den apexes der defekten gezahnten Linie (mit unsichtbarem - sie sind sichtbarer nur Punkt an seinen untereren und oberen apexes). Normalerweise verschwinden sie mit der Fixierung der Aufmerksamkeit. Reparieren Sie sie folglich indirekt und durch noch etwas an fokussiert werden. Es gibt 5 Anzeigen (links im unteren Teil und zur Mitte des Schirmes entlang horizontalem), aber manchmal drei zusätzliche Anzeigen sind zur Hälfte oberes rechtes des Schirmes sichtbar. 6. Praxis, Übersicht vom Recht zum linken Auge zu schalten. Sie verwenden diese Gewohnheit später. Alles das ist für jetzt. Sie haben 5 Tage für die erste Aufgabe. Sie s ist einfach und macht und obligatorisch vertraut. Dieses ist Eintragung in den Fluß von Praxis. In den Reports beschreiben Sie die Momente, die Sie interessierten. Beschreiben Sie Ihre Eindrücke für jede Übung der Aufgabe. Ihre Entdeckungen proklamierend, speichern Sie sie - wirklich fügen Sie in den Korb “der Kirschen“ hinzu, dessen Sie weg von Baum “heftig zerreißen, der nicht bekannt“. Teilende Allgemeines (Abteilung mit anderen) das durch Ihre Ausführungen erlaubt Ihnen, “Gruppe“ Sprache und Terminologie zu bilden. Sie moduliert den Energiefluß von Praxis durch Ihre einzigartigen Emanationen. Die zweite Aufgabe, die Sie am August 20 erhalten. --- (*) OZH - unser traditioneller Gruß des Träumers. Unsere Traditionen über 600 Jahren. Sie geht nicht vom toltec, aber nahe zu den Druiden und zum Steigen vom zoroastrism. Im Süden des Kontinentes, wurde OZH zu OG umgewandelt. In Amerika - zu Unze. Das korrekte Aussprache hören zu den Rätsellieden (der Liedname ist “das Karussell“, Album wird benannt “Le Roi Est Mort Vive Le Roi!“, 1996). Dort “zh“ Tonnotwendigkeit wenig Zug “OZH-ZH-ZH“.

PS. Ich can nicht antworten Ihre Fragen auf Deutsch, das ist schwer fur mich.

Is there anyone here who was involved with the original dream mapping done by the dream hackers, or anyone who knows someone who was? Our group are also going to do this together (some have been doing it for some time) and have some questions for them on specifics of how they as a group approached the task together

Thanks :-)

Hi,

I“d really appreciate it if someone could tidy up the english in the following (as usual the online translation was quite poor). Also does “sprajtami“ mean dream characters? Ok here it is, and thanks to anyone who can tidy the english up:

“Ravenna: This interesting field for researches. Choose one of them and fix the attention. Sprajt will start to change the form and after 5-7 changes will settle the opportunities. Fine tuning of the program of a dream will begin. In each individual case it is unique and grinded“ under us. For infy esteem tasks from the previous practical work - there where we worked with objects of dreams. If you deal not with sprajtom, and the spy, it will start to escape your fixed attention. Look, as spies artfully deceive us. Estimate a degree of their possession of a deceit.
Sunbars (*39, 2005-10-22, 10:41:51) “

Hi Jak!

the word “sprajtami (sprajtom)“ means - sprite.

Hi Jake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(computer_graphics)

Nikol, thanks for the definition :-)

Верификатор, thanks for the url, I didn“t realise the term sprite was used in a computer graphics related sense. I wonder why it“s used in that sense? I thought a sprite was meant to be someone dreaming who doesn“t realise they“re asleep?

Btw, if anyone can tidy up that paragraph (Ravennas answer to Sunbars) that would be great, I know it“s a bit of a chore so I understand if no one has time. It would just be interesting to understand Ravenna“s answer as I have similar to what Sunbars describes, but I can“t understand the translation enough to get an idea of what“s being said.

The russian text (of Ravenna“s answer to Sunbars) can be seen at #39 on the Ravenna question page: http://aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4658.htm

Thanks again both of you for your help

Jak

Hi Jak!
It’s my interpretation of that paragraph and may be poor too. And may be somebody else supplements with anything. If you do not understand anything, please, ask your questions.
“Ravenna: This interesting field for researches. Choose one of them and fix your attention to it. Sprite will start to change the form and after 5-7 changes will exhaust all possibilities. Fine tuning of the program of a dream will begin. In each individual case it is unique and grinded“ under us. If you want to get more information about it, you may read the tasks from the previous practical work - there where we worked with objects of dreams. If it’s found, that your object of dream is not sprite but the scout (scouts are the shadow beings, You may read about them in “The Art of Dreaming’ of Castaneda) , he will start to escape your fixed attention. Look, as scouts artfully deceive us. Estimate a degree of their possession of a deceit.
Sunbars (*39, 2005-10-22, 10:41:51)

Hi, Jak!
about sprite term.
dreamhackers terminology formed at 90 last century :)
and computer games for this time, have very primitive mechanics :)
person and people in this games viewed as robots or dolls :)
dreamhackers term sprite linked to the image of persons in dream.
some of this sprite is very look like your parents, friends or knowing persons.
some of this sprite have very detailed image.
some of this sprite have own inner luminocity.
i think last category of sprites - persons, understanding about self dream world position.
next category related to changing self image for you.
this is may be scout or spy, you will be wonder for his art of changings,
remember CC journey to neorganic worlds.
other category - persons, who not have power for understanding about dream world position.
your tries to explain this position to this persons, will not have good effect :(
but you can wake up in your bed at finish, may be :)) really
and our attetion may play with forms: sprite of one person will change to another human (!).
it may be 5-7 changings only.
this changings have individual effects for each dreamer,
related to link between power of dreamer, persons, dream interior and other factors.
Ravenna suggest to make your own research this process
...mmm... interactive research of sprites behavior :)
without pressing, carefully and ... hack your sprites :)

--- TASK 12 ---
OZH
We continue the series of easy exercises, bound by one intention.
Either as in past event, alongside with execution Task 12, I beg you to prepare the material for the following task. Preparation will comprise of following: each day recall the dreams of last night (will it is enough 2-3 plots). Write them briefly on sheet, what a significant event in each plot. Total for five days beside you must have from 6 to 15 dreams plot.
Go to the current task, now. During five days you must “cut“ chains of event to “bubbles of the perception“.
1 exercise: First two days, “cut“ line of life on the place position. For instance, you prepare to go on work in morning. The bubble of prception=home. Then you leave on street. The bubble of prception=street. Then bus or metro. Then office or scholastic class. And so on. All that you it is necessary to do, this note with realizing transition from ball in ball, as well as the end and begin plot in these bubble of the perception. You simply divide day not on time, but on bubble of the perception.
2 exercises: Next two days you need “cut“ line of life to atmosphere of the plot. Think and select for itself from 4 to 7 categories, which described atmosphere an event: love, home, worker, forced, cognitive and etc.
3 exercises: On fifth day of practice merge 1-st and 2-nd exercises.

The Thirteenth task you get the October 25.

P.S.
The Tasks 11-13 develop the special type of your perception. In our event we only get acquainted with methods. Later you may return to this exercises and repeat them with greatly possible extensification (each task on 20-25 days long). Eventually, you will begin to perceive the move an event, as flow bubble of perceptions. This will help you is hereinafter sailled be infused in such flows, invisibly leave of them and manipulate them for their own concrete purposes

------- TASK # 13 --------
OZH
The thirteenth task will be more difficult. You should learn “to glue“ your remembrances of dreams to those images or spheres of perception, which you see in virtual space “ of the interface seeing “.
1 exercise: the first two days simply play back in imagination those remembrances of dreams, which you have fixed for past five days. Draw up a sequence from more late memoirs. to earlier. Pay attention to passing admixtures (impregnations) of “strange“ subject links or memoirs.
2 exercises: following three days (with 28 on 30) fulfil a following sequence:
a) Enter space of the interface, try to be immersed in it, be drawn out and be compressed, until you will acclimatize.
b) Watch the stream of the pre-images
c) Select one of them, enter it, examine a sphere of perception and introduce to a scene that remembrances of dream, which you have fixed at preparation for this task. If in the given sphere of perception there was a scene, add by its scene of your remembrance of dream. If it was the half-static picture with any landscape, place your remembrance of dream in this landscape or in this part of city.

Here we “pour together“ two spheres of perception:(hackers call them bubbles of perception ) one of dreams and one of virtual space. This exercise is very important for the next manipulations with the controlled dreams.

The fourteenth task you receive on October 30.
Ravenna (#44, 2005-10-25, 09:22:24)

Jak, if you find some incorrect things in the translation, please tell us.

Hi Petri,

that translation was very good, I have a much better understanding of what“s being said now, whereas it made no sense before. The only sentance I didn“t understand was the last one “Estimate a degree of their possession of a deceit.“

Thanks very much for tidying that paragraph up for me :-)

Jak

Hi Petri,

that translation was very good, I have a much better understanding of whats being said now, whereas it made no sense before. The only sentance I didnt understand was the last one: Estimate a degree of their possession of a deceit.

Thanks very much for tidying that paragraph up for me :-)

Jak

Hi пфьук,

thanks for clarifying how sprite term developed, and the different catagories.

When you say: “other category - persons, who not have power for understanding about dream world position. your tries to explain this position to this persons, will not have good effect :(“ Do you mean someone who doesn“t realise (at the time you interact with them) that they are dreaming? Also what do you mean when you say attempts to explain do not have a good effect? Do you mean that something negative happens?

The “changings“ you mention is interesting. I“ve noticed a DC change before, and the objects it turned into had meaning to me, as if remembering something.

What have you discovered in your sprite research, anything significant?

Thanks again for helping me understanding the term Sprite more, much appreciated :-)

Jak

пфьук and Petri, thanks for recent tasks translations :-)

Ok after lingering around with 2nd task because the group as a whole could not get into this task as well as the first for some reason, we have decided we have to move on.

I have some questions about the third task, if anyone can help we“d be grateful :-)

1) “When you lay with your eyes covered by the hands, you have a set of body sensations. Use it for the pasture of your body image into the “darkness“ of the screen before your look.“

What is meant by pasture? This does not make sense in english (a pasture is where the cows graze ;-)

2) “Try to look upwards and downwards without moving eyeballs. It will be a new ability. As soon as this thing will turn out at you pay an attention to the feelings in your navel area (maybe a little higher or a little lower).“

What is meant by “As soon as this thing will turn out at you“? What thing?

3) What does “проявления“ mean?

4) In original translation Diego said “I failed to find a translation of word [рубцы]. it means almost the same that “scars“ do, but with an accent on its relief. “

What is meant by “with an accent on its relief“?

5) “achieve presenting of two different pictures in each eye. For example, let the left eye see a bright tunnel and the left eye a dark one. Then try to join two pictures. For example, let it be a coner with two missing tunnels, one of wich is brighter than another. “

What is meant by “coner“?

6) “After few successful attempts try to “slant“ your look as you do in the stereoscopical pictures case.“

Please clarify this sentance, as can“t understand what is required here.

7) “try to imagine your body completely within the screen darkness. Let the darkness or an “atomic soup of the preimages“ surround you from all directions. If you do it right to breathe is not necessary :))“

What is meant by “If you do it right to breathe is not necessary :))“ ? The breathing process stops while you merge with darkness? Or that you don“t need to control breath (i.e. it goes on automatic like when you have an out of body experience)?

Ok those are the questions. Thanks for any help that can be given.

Jak

>Do you mean someone who doesn“t realise (at the time you interact with them) that they are dreaming?

yeah!

>Also what do you mean when you say attempts to explain do not have a good effect?

in my experiments (accepted by other dreamer), this tries only scare these people :)
this people have low power, because they absorbed own problems.
they are manekens or sprites, have being in first attention only.
for example: go to your friend or office college at now, and try to tell about something:
“Dear friend! we sleep in this moment! Wake up!(Neo:)“
understand :)
some your friends may see in your eyes demons flashing, for example :)
some friends having many power (me for example), answer:
“I know!“ and make hook to the solar plexus :)

>Do you mean that something negative happens?

yeah!
you will using self dream power or current dream energy uselessly.
you will using power for try to shift sprite“s point of assemblage :)
but sprite have own system of self-defense.
on critical level, he is try to leave from you.
if you will pursue him, he is wake up.
if you rage, you wake up too, may be in bed of your sprite :)

but very important in our practice, get own experiences of sprite researches.
i tell to you a typical kind or scenario.
if you will have good level of second attention, you may using your sprites in your purposes.
or your silent and intent may have exploring effect in current sprite“s attention too ...
but not rage, be cheapskate of self power.
universe have predator“s behaviour

Hi пфьук,

thanks for your mail.

I was interested about what you said about the sprites, because I have had many lucid dreams where I tell sprites they are dreaming, and always have positive effects (well the worst would be they would laugh at me and not believe me) but usually they accept it and accompany me on what ever mission I“ve planned in advance.

Interesting what you say in last paragraph. Yes, rage is not worth bothering with when dreaming (when have conscious control)

Jak

I“ll post this as well here (concerning our sharing our reports and experiences of the Ravenna tasks with each other):

Hi,

we decided that we would rather share our reports in a closed yahoo group, rather than on an open forum. If you“d like to join and share about your experiences too, please send an email to: {email удалён} and I“ll send you an invite. The group is called Dreamhackers Unite :-) Like one of you said, it“s a space where we can network about the tasks and possibly other dreamhacker related subjects.

Jak

Hi,

I know that list of questions was pretty long, (in message #99) but could anyone just answer the below ones? Thanks

3) What does “проявления“ mean?

5) “achieve presenting of two different pictures in each eye. For example, let the left eye see a bright tunnel and the left eye a dark one. Then try to join two pictures. For example, let it be a coner with two missing tunnels, one of wich is brighter than another. “

What is meant by “coner“?

6) “After few successful attempts try to “slant“ your look as you do in the stereoscopical pictures case.“

Please clarify this sentance, as can“t understand what is required here.

Thanks again to anyone who can help

Hi Jak!
3) “проявления“ means manifestations, exertings
5) coner- there was misspelling here. use the word corner instead of that one :)
6) “slant“ means to look with both eyes in one direction. Or look like -when you watch 3-D pictures in that special glasses.

I hope you will understand my explanations.

Thanks very much Nikol :-)

Hi Nikol or anyone else who is able to help,

please could you answer these 2 as well :-) Many thanks.

1) “When you lay with your eyes covered by the hands, you have a set of body sensations. Use it for the pasture of your body image into the “darkness“ of the screen before your look.“

What is meant by pasture? This does not make sense in english (a pasture is where the cows graze ;-)

7) “try to imagine your body completely within the screen darkness. Let the darkness or an “atomic soup of the preimages“ surround you from all directions. If you do it right to breathe is not necessary :))“

What is meant by “If you do it right to breathe is not necessary :))“ ? The breathing process stops while you merge with darkness? Or that you don“t need to control breath (i.e. it goes on automatic like when you have an out of body experience)?

Jak, sorry
i can“t joined to your list at now.
my dialup coonection very low and not stable.
i“ll try to join in next week only.
i send each message here 3-4 minutes and not a one pass :))

1. “Use it for the pasture of your body image into the “darkness“ of the screen before your look.“
pasture = inserting
why pasture? it is Diego trick, i think :)
2. “As soon as this thing will turn out at you“ = When it ready by you [new ability]
4. рубцы = scars on skin, having wide square or fat figure,form i think ...
7. breath process is not necessary in dream. if you track in deep this process, you understand it.
for example, i have many dreams, when i diving in ocean, and forget about breath :)
i not need it. but be careful in early stage of sleep, it may be scare your body.
next example, when you control of diving to dream, you can feel, that your body make breath ... autonomous, without your commands. without any consciousness participation.
it is wonder and sometime scary :)

about sprites.
mmm ... i can“t argue about this subject.
it is individual item, related to the personal experience.
DJ say CC about individual aspects of ally, for example.
if communication with sprites help to you, understanding dream world - it is good.
i have another experience, sprites is another side of my mind problem, usually.
mmm ... some proection of this problem.
and i clever person, my sprites have very wise behaviour :)

regards and see later!

--- TASK 15 ---

OZH

This the most difficult and unusual task of the practice. In fact, it is an end of that chain events, which we dispersed during two with half of the months. This task moves you on secret of secret - a most latest development DH on magics of the Net. I give you on it 12 days. Ten days you will be in flow of the practice, two days - itself. The Main by particularity of the task is fortune. If you be lucky, you will understand, how become the peerless wizard. You will understand the monumental kernel of the knowledge. If not be lucky, your life does not a finish :) You get last 16 task, which will move you to the second attempt.

Fifteenth task:
It consists of one exercise and is executed in real world at moments of the interaction with people and when performing the different matter of private concernment - homes, suppressing, love and other. (Divisions of bubbles of perceptions on emotional atmosphere we all passed with good rating, faithfully?) Lets go!
In peak of the home everyday situation, imagine invisible sphere around you three metres in diameter. Imagine that this sphere has an ensemble of transits, which link you with a thousand and one possibility of the continues further situation. You need to learn to rotate this sphere - around horizontal axis first, around vertical axis then. Simply tense the belly and rotate by the will this sphere. At tumbling around horizontal axis feel her motion an backhead, forehead and coccyx. In throat and in region of the bellybutton you will feel tickling sensation or tension. At tumbling around vertical axis feel motion by whisky and throat.

On initial stage, you can help itself by hands - making tumbling passes. Later, abandon to help of the hands - such motion will call unnecessary attention of other people to you. Besides, you can feel moving the sphere with other feelings - using own and custom way. The Main, fasten it to different flesh-colored sensations. Than widest and different will be a flesh-colored sensation, so much the better - that is to say, boldly make the mixture of the sensation with five-seven components.

Having presented this unencountered sphere, rotate and move her, as you that want. Here you, without thinking, try to change the transits of your situations - couple the current events with the other chain, which usually (or in general) not linked with this event. Will certainly, you will have a errors, and then you spoil the situation. But you will have discoveries too, and then you will begin to create the miraculous hitches in events.
With practice, you will begin to catch the indescribable sensation, which correspond to “brightness“ of 14 task. Your task will be a displacement from light to else more light event. Eventually you should run to “fortune rage“ - when all events will be lucky. When world will begin to play with you as child. When world bend under you :))
This indescribable sensation often can be with sounds - as you hear the snub, when transits connected with each other. This sensation will give you to know that switching “tumbler of the transit“ has occurred. And in this sensation you will be may found a quality, which you (with some practical experiences) will link with “brightness“ grooves of Tonal or with their “darkness“.
All this it is difficult to describe, but this task wholly a workable. Simply believe in their own power and make this step. Several ingenious switchings will teach you this technology, and you will become the wizards of Net. If task will turn out to be difficult, signifies, Spirit prepare something another for you.

You may rotate the sphere as please - not on axises of your body only. Simply imagine that you inwardly sphere, that she moving on uncountable labyrinths of the Net, make links with multiple chains of possible events. Some chains of events involve your sphere in their own structure, you make mutual exchange and fly in Net all further and further. With you droop the scrap unfinished chains of events, they cling for new chains of events, you are involved in “alien“ or “foreign“ chains, spend your power on returning in flow, search for better place. And, certainly, there is good places. There is zones “paradise land“ . Not in the sense of capital and pleasure, but in the sense of liberties of the displacement or moving.

All speak of liberty, all speak of her in different. I give you new interpretation. This broad and light subways to lifes, where you not will cling alien vital activity. Will not it is necessary spend power on social problems - a keeping and saving of the awkward device of the potentates and subordinated. You will be able to choose their own way, and this will be a way, leading to liberty (in Net term) :))

Who will understand this task, will be find the essence of net magic. Further, you necessary will find “Масяня“ again, since only she capable to tell you about the further way. Possible, you do not believe me, but “Мася“ - boundless level wizard. Such people fall to us from Moon and then fly off to stars :))

--- TASK 16 ---

OZH

Here is and the last task. Due to him practical work wraps around in ring. You simply move to the second task and proceed with repetition of all tasks, having experience of their passing. You can choose and setup timing. If you to want deeper to work some task, conduct him more time. If some task does not like, examine itself and find the reasons to antipathies. Don“t miss the tasks. In the last resort, conduct bad task with 3 days.

On this allow me to close the this practice.
Good luck.

next message - translating one of task previous practice of Ravenna.
this practice was in 2004 year.
in this task Ravenna describing Chan sindrom,
i think it best answer of Dreamhackers_Unite question.
i can“t understand, what do you mean about omega complexes,
write full name of omega preparates, please
i think it and others dream tools will be interesting for all

--- TASK 4 (2004) ---
OZH
People, which get busy control dreams, often note the decrease a realization and gradual reduction LD. One of the many reasons, but the most serious, are two diseases of dreamers. The first inherent to all practical persons developing to wide of the second attention. We shall speak of her. China name her is Chan sindrome. She appears then, when person falls into process of the dream (that is to say, becomes the subject of a certain program of the consciousness) and then destroys this process for interception of the checking on dream. The Analogue is an buddha“s contemplation of the flow of the thoughts: introduction to thoughts-virus (Who observes the flow? Who sees the images of the thoughts? Who ...? Who ...? Who...). The Flow of the thoughts decays, and adherent goes to the source - to the mind. The Buddhists note that given practice is accompanied the destruction a teeth and bone fabric. To cure such disease, people of the knowledge use the special medicinal preparations and meditations methods like a “fine doubt“ . But will return to Chan sindrome.

All you felt the delight at realization itself in LD. Enormous enraptured surprise and convulsion. When leaving from powerful LD, you want to dance, say thanks to god or to some people. The flow of the thoughts and words floods us as storm. This sign tell about infections. When we work with program of the consciousness (particularly, when we modify them, as in the event of interception of the checking on dream), we follow to fight with concentration on itself. Roughly speaking, at interception of the checking you must be not declared - give about itself information with emotion hits, fixing attention or concentration on yourself . What doing buddhists? They enter the doubt and deaden euphoria of the new energy condition. Even leaving in nirvana, they distrust - but can I else return to help all essences of the Earth... but can I become boddhisattva and abandon to eternity... Something like it needful for us, cancel the delights and, mainly, not allowing reason to carry their own lists in condition of the control dream. These lists may create conflict - fine discrepancies, which with each will at once obstruct the moments of the realization and spend the lots of power on their co-ordination. Gradually, dreamers begin to understand that LD frequency decreases that him all harder and harder obtain control in the dreams. This sindrom may have much view in such intensive practice, what we conduct now. Certainly, someone accuse in this intensive consuption of power (for control dreams necessary power - said CC). However many problems, connected with breach in the dreams (the insomnias, speech during in the dream process, appearance delirious loops), appear because of disease Chan sindrome. Except the whole other, she destroys the liver. All serious dreamers, anyway, suffered the liver problem. I teach you several methods of the treatment this not quite physical disease. The First of them is founded on soft defogging liver by means of decoction of the thyme or linseed. The Last, what turned out to be, quite well stimulate the centre of the second attention.

Масяня find english link about Chan sindrom
Charles Luk (Lu KuanYu) “Secrets of Chinese Meditation“
if you have this book, write little description here, please

Hi пфьук,

thanks for these reposts and the book recommendation. I have it now, looks like it has some interesting info.

Jak

Hi, Jak!
great!
if u find more in this book about “Chan“, describe here, please
very interesting about “Chan“ ethimology, or legend related to this term

This is the post of Node, which complete the Ravenna tasks, concerning “interface of vision”. .
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1. The exercise is called “Wall of mist”. Consists of three phases. I shall tell you, meanwhile about the first phase.
а) It is necessary enter in a position of a somnolence. This is when you begin to hear yous snoring, but continue to save awareness . Or when the activity of hypnagogic images starts, but yous consciousness is sufficient to understand the begining of dream.
б) In this moment it is necessary, as though to shift the observer position and to imagine before youself a mirror or plane screen , on (in) which the images of dream are projected. It is important to catch sensation that face and look at a mirror or screen. Looking on the screen increase awareness the same as looking on the hands in dream.

в) It is necessary work through skill of switch from a scene of dream to the observer position - that is, it is necessary to be transferred from a position of the participant to the observer position and back.
г) During this exercise you step-by-step will pass in an controlled dreaming with a sufficient lobe of awareness .
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With practice the awareness .is magnified. Besides you will begin to understand, that the screen (or mirror), on which the images are projected, allocates concerning you not parallel, but at an angle way. Even later you will detect out youself inside composite multivariate space. In one of layers of this space you will find yourselves before two planes, which forms angle one with another. On a right-handed plane the images of dream will be projected. The left one rather long will remain opaque. With practice you will note different metamorphosises of the left plane. A bit later it will turn to a wall of a mist.
The second phase of the exercise is dedicated to infiltration into a wall of a mist. To describe it - is senseless now. At first test the first phase and be convinced of a correctness of my words.
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Node

Petri, big thanks!

little illustration of hacker“s seeing interface, u can view on shamanic painter
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/gallery/supernatural/14830010_500.jpg
interesting detail on bottom, flowers as indicators.

next pictures about path of bubble of perception:
http://hanbalik.narod.ru/library/illustrations/nei_jing_tu_color.jpg
www.daoism.cn/ up/data/090xzht.htm
www.damo-qigong.net/ tu/neijing/neijing.htm

Jak, are u find anything about Chan in book?

Pfuk, thanks very much about the link with the art, it“s.. amazing!
Indeed, if the interface contains all these shapes that are contained at the right “screen“ of the picture 14830010_500. Only , in my case, i see only the outlines of these shapes, not the colours inside them)) except tellow and white)).

But it“s the painting 14830001_500.jpg that caught my ineterst very much.
Do you see the white comets on the sky?
In two of my obes, i have seen these comets on the night sky. Exactly like the ones that are pictured, but more yellowish and very very bright.
And they always, catch my attention very much, and i want to reach them, but they are so high) i feel the vanity in my attempt to reach them))
The first time i saw them, i had the feeling they were dreamers haha))
but when i saw them again.. i just.. didn“t know what they are.
What are they??

yanna
this picture show position of interface screen, but shapes on screen not are important.
they are may be different.
about comets - apokalipsis 8)

Hi пфьук,

>Jak, are u find anything about Chan in book?

this is what I found:

“The Ch“an illness is sometimes contracted after a major awakening, when the vital principle does not circulate freely through the psychic centres in the body. The meditator is then seized with an irresistable desire to dance, jump, gesticulate, hum, talk and act strangely without apparent reason. Words that he has read before come to him in an endless succession and cannot be stopped.“

Do you have a russian version of this book?

Jak

Hi, I wonder if anyone as information about the patience of medici?

Jak
thanks for right english term “Ch“an illness“
but thats all?
i not have this rare book in russian :(
and we not have ethimology history of this term

yathoy
“magic“ model of stalking - model on the base of Medici“s patience. This model worked with the chains of the dailylife events. It solve the current problems and change the flow of events in the necessary direction and carry out the revision of life in the captivating and merrier manner, than make us seat in the box and rocking by the head.

other additional info in russian only :(
may be Jak have more ...

Хочу посмотреть на янтарный пруд...

На http://ypond.narod.ru написано чего не надо делать. Кто подскажет что надо?
Если я правильно понял надо надавить на глаза чтобы увидеть жёлтое пятно.
Объясните пожалуйста поподробнее... спасибо.

other
почитай внимательно первое-второе задание последнего практикума и отчеты по нему. Надеюсь, тебе это поможет.

Hi,

good to see you“re all active with the tasks :-)

The group I“m in have decided to start the tasks again from the beginning, as we lost the flow. This time we“re sticking strictly to the time limits.

How are you doing with the tasks пфьук, Petri, Nikol and others? This is probably at least your 2nd time going through them?

Jak

Hi Jak!
Some of us have recently finished “go-around“ of Ravenna“s Tasks.
As for me and пфьук - we didn“t take part in it,
Because too much work “fell down“ on my poor head :))
I could only fix dates of each Task here for those who participated and nothing more.

Hi Jak
Welcome to the DreamHackers Laboratory - http://www.dhlab.ru/forum/index.php

Hi,

the group I“m in are starting on the 4th task, but are struggling with some of the translation. Would appreciate any help any of you can give in clarifying the following:

“OZH
Fourth task (average complexity): we search for glueings of layer of “real“ and the world of dreams.“

---- could anyone elaborate on what is meant by glueing?----

“Exercise 1:
we see the darkness, enter it, and use our physical perception there; We wait when the images appear and one of them attracts you; you see picture and memorize the atmosphere of the fixed picture;
If you succeed in entering through the images in realised dream( RD)“

---- is realised dream (RD) the same as lucid dream?----

“you memorise the subject of dream. In the following five days FIND the atmosphere of the picture you“ve seen or general subject.“

---- are you meant to find this atmosphere in dreams or physical reality, or both? ----

“You“ll find Glueing . You should simply find it, lure, trace or note. Do not be afraid of the task. It is easier than it seems to be.. Or You may try to do it later. This is a very important moment on the way to the controlled dreams. It is the beginning of the conscious entrance into the realised dream. The atmosphere is more abstract than subject. Therefore, after learning to track the atmosphere, come over to the concrete pictures or the subjects.“

---- by this, is it meant that by focusing on atmosphere first, it then helps get more concrete details of the dream (such as what the visuals were, content etc)?----

“Exercise 2:
Select in your life the significant subject“

---- what is meant here by significant subject? is it meant to be a person/animal/object any of those? Or does it also include a place or event? Does it just mean anything significant in our lives?----

Thanks to anyone who can help!

:-)

Jak

Hi Nikol and ангелы Му,

thanks Nikol for your reply, hope work has lessened it“s load on you now :-)

Thanks ангелы Му for letting me know about the site, I have checked it out briefly. I need to translate every page, and often translation isn“t very good (from one of those online translators) so I“ll see if I can make sense enough of anything to get involved! Don“t want to have to keep asking questions of everything everyone says, due to language barrier!

:-)

Jak

Hi, Jak.
As far as I know there“s a group of english-speaking people you share your interest with. If there is a number of people, who wants to take part in our discussions, then we can think of translating some interesting topics into english.

Hi Ifxor,

thank you to you and yours for considering this. I will ask the others in my group. Although I“m sure they“ll be interested, I“m not sure if many will feel they have time to participate in another group as most only have time to report in our group.

Thank you for the offer, and I“ll see what the others say.

Regards,

Jak

Is there anyone who can help with the questions I asked above about Ravenna task 4? Otherwise we will just go with what I think Ravenna is saying. It“s hard to follow tasks due to language barrier (and poor translation from online translator). Any help from our russian colleagues would be appreciated, otherwise we“ll do our best, with what we can interpret.

Regards,

Jak

Gluing is binding, estabilishing a connection between bubbles in the dreams and the real world.
RD is when you reaize that you are dreaming.
Finding the atmosphere should be in the reality. Atmosphere shall be the same with one you had in dream.
After you “glue“ the atmospheres it will be easier to “glue“ less abstract details - ictures, objects etc.
By significant subject any of important event or place or something - anything with atmosphere you can easily remember.
If anything is still not clear, or you will have any other questions - please, feel free to ask.
Good luck!

Ifxor,

thank you very much, your explanation was very clear. So the atmosphere from the bubble/imagery should be in real physical reality. Makes sense as the latter part of task is vice-versa. Thanks very much for the clarification! And also thanks for your willingness to help out in the future. Have you done all the Ravenna tasks?

Jak

Yes, I took part in the second cycle.