Тема «Questions and Replies»
Author of translation - МОРКОВЬ
Edited: DarkLight
(Originally posted 3 weeks ago)
Ravenna:
Let\'s leave the old topic in the old year. If you have new questions, ask them in this topic.
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arhivarius
The question is old but still relevant for me. If I am a very mediocre Dreamer, should I try to go along with the group or should I start from mapping and dreamjournaling and join after I get some results?
So far, I have been able to follow the tasks for everyday life(from Power Incubation topic) but when it comes to dreams and dreaming...
Ravenna:
I think you should still try to participate in the dreaming project. Even a streak of bad luck has an end. Perhaps it will work out.
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salt
Ravenna, some time ago I broke my CD player, having played the audiobook all night long. Since then, it has problems playing CDs - it works for 5-10 minutes, and then stops. Two years ago intuitively I tried to influence it by tensing and relaxing the lower part of my abdomen. And it reacts until now, without me having it fixed. So whenever there is a sound that signals the problem - I activate that same point just below the navel often mentioned by CC, and CD players keeps playing smoothly. But as soon as I relax my attention - it stops and often completely shuts off. Sometimes I react fast enough and launch the process anew, but sometimes I don\'t do it in time. If I don't use above mentioned tricks, the CD-player works badly. How would you explain it?
Ravenna:
From your description, you encountered a defect that was caused either by \"dry joint\" in soldering or dried up elelctolytic condenser. Dry joints you can find visually or by tapping the electric circuit with the pencil\'s blunt end(\"blond\'s method\"). Dried electrolyte you can find with a tester. You measure the resistance - in one direction than in another. There should be a large difference and the Om-meter\'s indicator will show the decreasing value. If resistance is the same, condenser is dead and should be replaced. The rest of the methods - pure indulgence, it is like healing a bad tooth by whispering magic words - it will still rot to the root and you will lose it.
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Yakov
I left a message for you on dreamhackers.ru about a month ago but I still have no reply. Why?
Ravenna:
I don\'t go there anymore. If you have questions - ask them here. If they are very confidential find an abstract way. Women often use \"I have a friend that has this problem\"
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Inferno_2000
Ravenna, please tell us about #2 – "Ask Spirit to help and rely on it (for people that have a strong/pure link with the Spirit)".
Ravenna:
I met many interesting people. but the most interesting was Masya. She had a particularly clear link with the Spirit. She played with Him like with a child and played for Him as for the main director of her life. Spirit responded to her requests immediately and almost every time. Any desire, even the most incomprehensible was magically fulfilled. Despite her troublesome character, Masya had strong Faith. She had faith in the Spirit. He led her and she lived for him. What was Spirit for her? I don\'t know. That depth of initiation is unknown to me. For Masya the concept of the spirit was closely related to impeccability. With impeccability of the part that person has to play at a given moment. Usually people play 2-3 parts. For example a mix of a stringent father, whining husband and passionate lover - and all at the same time. Or the mix of cynical guy always shy virgin and the oppressor of all the weaklings. But when person observes, himself he start putting on different hats. Many different hats. And every part he plays impeccably, not using Stanislvasky\'s system, but plays it for the Spirit to judge, a witness of his life. They say \"Death is beautiful when you are watched\". Think if you are always watched - you are always being observed by a very respected being. And you put all you got in performing your part for It, every moment of your life. All the pettiness disappears. What appears is the nobility of actions and Beauty. You don\'t just life like everybody else. Every second of your life you in real Drama. You give it 100%. You burn, you light up, you enjoy your play. Because you feel the Spirit being there, enjoying you. Usually, people are not interesting for Him. We are all the same - pale and gray. In our actions there is so much self-interest and cheap imitation that Spirit- turns always and yawns at own sight. His attention can only be drawn by the sincere and impeccable play with really courageous and interesting moves. That\'s what Masya used to tell me about Spirit.
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ldominika
Ravenna, please respond how to use Sniffer in a dream. In one of the older posts you promised to teach us how.
Ravenna:
During their attack, sniffers launch a program of fear in us. Rather it is better to say that these programs have a fear subroutine in them. If you have some experience and desire to experiment with sniffers, there is a way to disconnect the call to the subroutine of fear and give it another input like laughter or a different emotion: tender love, annoyance, insistence of a stringent boss. It will cause a disruption in sniffers program. It will try to annul, to disappear. And here you will have to catch it with a sticky glance. Sniffer will start throwing masterpieces of stalking, trying to divert your attention. With some experience you will be able to hold on to it. That\'s when it will take you to the Central Programming Hub. They way you will see that center depends on you and your awareness. There is a lot to do there - for example you can find “yourself” and make some corrections -heal yourself, improve your countenance, program important events in your life, etc.
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Fil
Please recommend a method of stopping the Inner Dialogue and is there a right way to do it. Walking the way Castaneda advises it in his books I can not yet practice. Second question - should we try practicing using your Practicum at aworld.ru. Will there be results?
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admitricks
Ravenna, what is the difference between a Lucid dream and Conscious Dream. I heard many different definitions including the one that until the explosion of the dream memory, all conscious dreams are lucid and after that you can get Conscious Dreams. Is it true?
Ravenna:
In reality they are the same. The notion of “lucidity” was introduced by western dreamers. “Conscious” dream” is a result of senseless Eng-Rus translation of Garfield, Laberge, etc. Lucidity is a more exact definition. In order to call any dream “Conscious” dream is silly. The moment of awareness is so short, that it cannot be an indicator of the whole dream. It is more proper to call it a dream with a moment of awareness. Lucidity is better, because it is the transparency of being conscious. Each dream has its own degree of lucidity. For example, you can recall that Ravenna asked you to perform the “Ticket” task. However there is no 100% awareness in it. Sometimes there is 100% awareness but you don\'t remember the task about tickets. Hackers decided that this whole business is worthless for practical use. If you want to use lucidity option, you need completely controlled dream. What is a controlled dream? It is a dream, in which you can enter intentionally while retaining some awareness. It is a dream that you can “order” beforehand. It is a dream where you can change time of day, location and other attributes. Then your “user status” will change. Then your dreaming will gain a new quality. What is wrong “Lucid Dream” (translated as “Conscious Dream” into Russian)? First of all, spontaneous moment of consciousness aree too short and depend on psycho-emotional state and life conditions. Too short, too vulnerable at crucial moments of transit from one dream to another. They are not subject to planned wishes, only local reflections of intention. That\'s why for development of Lucid Dreaming into something substantial, we need special programs - like Monroe\'s or Laberge\'s. Only very determined people can go through those programs and still they are subject to limitations. It is not acceptable for hackers. We like Castaneda and his controlled dreaming. In the original text - controlled dreams is mentioned 8 times. And there is no mention of lucid dreams. Also CC gives definition of controlled dreams where there is control over locations, time of day and the dreaming scenario.
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L
The following question:
I have a very good friend who is unfortunately in the army now and I got excited about an opportunity of dreaming together without the other person\'s active participation because it is problematic to have Conscious Dreams while in the army. The only scheme of teleportation in somebody else\'s dream through Medici\'s Patience that I came up with are two sequences:
AAAABBBBB
CCCCBBBBB
First experiments were pretty successful, but is there a way to exclude the second sequence? Or both?
Ravenna:
There won\'t be any critic. Try both ways, find a better one and generalize your findings in an easy to understand article.
Edited: DarkLight
(Originally posted 3 weeks ago)
Ravenna:
Let\'s leave the old topic in the old year. If you have new questions, ask them in this topic.
-
arhivarius
The question is old but still relevant for me. If I am a very mediocre Dreamer, should I try to go along with the group or should I start from mapping and dreamjournaling and join after I get some results?
So far, I have been able to follow the tasks for everyday life(from Power Incubation topic) but when it comes to dreams and dreaming...
Ravenna:
I think you should still try to participate in the dreaming project. Even a streak of bad luck has an end. Perhaps it will work out.
-
salt
Ravenna, some time ago I broke my CD player, having played the audiobook all night long. Since then, it has problems playing CDs - it works for 5-10 minutes, and then stops. Two years ago intuitively I tried to influence it by tensing and relaxing the lower part of my abdomen. And it reacts until now, without me having it fixed. So whenever there is a sound that signals the problem - I activate that same point just below the navel often mentioned by CC, and CD players keeps playing smoothly. But as soon as I relax my attention - it stops and often completely shuts off. Sometimes I react fast enough and launch the process anew, but sometimes I don\'t do it in time. If I don't use above mentioned tricks, the CD-player works badly. How would you explain it?
Ravenna:
From your description, you encountered a defect that was caused either by \"dry joint\" in soldering or dried up elelctolytic condenser. Dry joints you can find visually or by tapping the electric circuit with the pencil\'s blunt end(\"blond\'s method\"). Dried electrolyte you can find with a tester. You measure the resistance - in one direction than in another. There should be a large difference and the Om-meter\'s indicator will show the decreasing value. If resistance is the same, condenser is dead and should be replaced. The rest of the methods - pure indulgence, it is like healing a bad tooth by whispering magic words - it will still rot to the root and you will lose it.
-
Yakov
I left a message for you on dreamhackers.ru about a month ago but I still have no reply. Why?
Ravenna:
I don\'t go there anymore. If you have questions - ask them here. If they are very confidential find an abstract way. Women often use \"I have a friend that has this problem\"
-
Inferno_2000
Ravenna, please tell us about #2 – "Ask Spirit to help and rely on it (for people that have a strong/pure link with the Spirit)".
Ravenna:
I met many interesting people. but the most interesting was Masya. She had a particularly clear link with the Spirit. She played with Him like with a child and played for Him as for the main director of her life. Spirit responded to her requests immediately and almost every time. Any desire, even the most incomprehensible was magically fulfilled. Despite her troublesome character, Masya had strong Faith. She had faith in the Spirit. He led her and she lived for him. What was Spirit for her? I don\'t know. That depth of initiation is unknown to me. For Masya the concept of the spirit was closely related to impeccability. With impeccability of the part that person has to play at a given moment. Usually people play 2-3 parts. For example a mix of a stringent father, whining husband and passionate lover - and all at the same time. Or the mix of cynical guy always shy virgin and the oppressor of all the weaklings. But when person observes, himself he start putting on different hats. Many different hats. And every part he plays impeccably, not using Stanislvasky\'s system, but plays it for the Spirit to judge, a witness of his life. They say \"Death is beautiful when you are watched\". Think if you are always watched - you are always being observed by a very respected being. And you put all you got in performing your part for It, every moment of your life. All the pettiness disappears. What appears is the nobility of actions and Beauty. You don\'t just life like everybody else. Every second of your life you in real Drama. You give it 100%. You burn, you light up, you enjoy your play. Because you feel the Spirit being there, enjoying you. Usually, people are not interesting for Him. We are all the same - pale and gray. In our actions there is so much self-interest and cheap imitation that Spirit- turns always and yawns at own sight. His attention can only be drawn by the sincere and impeccable play with really courageous and interesting moves. That\'s what Masya used to tell me about Spirit.
-
ldominika
Ravenna, please respond how to use Sniffer in a dream. In one of the older posts you promised to teach us how.
Ravenna:
During their attack, sniffers launch a program of fear in us. Rather it is better to say that these programs have a fear subroutine in them. If you have some experience and desire to experiment with sniffers, there is a way to disconnect the call to the subroutine of fear and give it another input like laughter or a different emotion: tender love, annoyance, insistence of a stringent boss. It will cause a disruption in sniffers program. It will try to annul, to disappear. And here you will have to catch it with a sticky glance. Sniffer will start throwing masterpieces of stalking, trying to divert your attention. With some experience you will be able to hold on to it. That\'s when it will take you to the Central Programming Hub. They way you will see that center depends on you and your awareness. There is a lot to do there - for example you can find “yourself” and make some corrections -heal yourself, improve your countenance, program important events in your life, etc.
-
Fil
Please recommend a method of stopping the Inner Dialogue and is there a right way to do it. Walking the way Castaneda advises it in his books I can not yet practice. Second question - should we try practicing using your Practicum at aworld.ru. Will there be results?
-
admitricks
Ravenna, what is the difference between a Lucid dream and Conscious Dream. I heard many different definitions including the one that until the explosion of the dream memory, all conscious dreams are lucid and after that you can get Conscious Dreams. Is it true?
Ravenna:
In reality they are the same. The notion of “lucidity” was introduced by western dreamers. “Conscious” dream” is a result of senseless Eng-Rus translation of Garfield, Laberge, etc. Lucidity is a more exact definition. In order to call any dream “Conscious” dream is silly. The moment of awareness is so short, that it cannot be an indicator of the whole dream. It is more proper to call it a dream with a moment of awareness. Lucidity is better, because it is the transparency of being conscious. Each dream has its own degree of lucidity. For example, you can recall that Ravenna asked you to perform the “Ticket” task. However there is no 100% awareness in it. Sometimes there is 100% awareness but you don\'t remember the task about tickets. Hackers decided that this whole business is worthless for practical use. If you want to use lucidity option, you need completely controlled dream. What is a controlled dream? It is a dream, in which you can enter intentionally while retaining some awareness. It is a dream that you can “order” beforehand. It is a dream where you can change time of day, location and other attributes. Then your “user status” will change. Then your dreaming will gain a new quality. What is wrong “Lucid Dream” (translated as “Conscious Dream” into Russian)? First of all, spontaneous moment of consciousness aree too short and depend on psycho-emotional state and life conditions. Too short, too vulnerable at crucial moments of transit from one dream to another. They are not subject to planned wishes, only local reflections of intention. That\'s why for development of Lucid Dreaming into something substantial, we need special programs - like Monroe\'s or Laberge\'s. Only very determined people can go through those programs and still they are subject to limitations. It is not acceptable for hackers. We like Castaneda and his controlled dreaming. In the original text - controlled dreams is mentioned 8 times. And there is no mention of lucid dreams. Also CC gives definition of controlled dreams where there is control over locations, time of day and the dreaming scenario.
-
L
The following question:
I have a very good friend who is unfortunately in the army now and I got excited about an opportunity of dreaming together without the other person\'s active participation because it is problematic to have Conscious Dreams while in the army. The only scheme of teleportation in somebody else\'s dream through Medici\'s Patience that I came up with are two sequences:
AAAABBBBB
CCCCBBBBB
First experiments were pretty successful, but is there a way to exclude the second sequence? Or both?
Ravenna:
There won\'t be any critic. Try both ways, find a better one and generalize your findings in an easy to understand article.
-
Soledat
Ravenna, about Lucid Dreams:
A standard exchange between dreamers starts with a question: “how often do you have lucid dreams” - as an indicator of experience and proficiency. Before that I was too under the impression that DH techniques are about that moment of awareness in a dream.
Ravenna:
Many DH techniques are directed towards activations and prolongation of moments of awareness. This is a basic path of every dreamer. But there are always roundabouts and tricks. These tricks are directed towards gaining control. Judge for yourself: So you see lucid dreams - very often. Now what? Dream scenario is not planned by you. Every intention is only local - it is conceived at the moment of becoming aware. Yes, you will fly and be able to use telekinesis, but it will all be inside a program in which you have no control. Compared to regular dream “users”, you will sort of have a cool dream program, which will be controlling you. This will just a be a wonderful tool for fun and games, just like a computer game or cartoons. On the other hand, controlled dream let you complete large strategic adventures. Their applications are countless - from finding your own blocks to unimaginable magic. Can you imagine - can you do a quest of traveling to Duat in a Lucid Dream? Can you explore the whole dream world? You can do it in a Controlled dream - that is the main difference.
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Soledat
So, Ravenna, by practicing Lucid dreams, we are actually walking the wrong path? So how do I make a transition from Lucid dreams to Controlled Dreams?
Ravenna:
If you want to jump from Lucid Dreams to Controlled dreams - learn how to inject elements of control. For example - plan the dream ahead. (That\'s by the way what we are after in our Airport and Tickets quest). Learn the elements of control in a dream - change the time of day, learn the words of power, flying, finding the necessary locations. Learn how to enter dreaming through the symbol of your liking - you visualize it, fall asleep(dissolve) in its light and voila! Controlled dream. Later when you get proficient, we will have to make a long and difficult journey West and North. On the North, you will get to the “Path of the Dead” described in a Book of the Dead. In CC description it is the sliding of the Assemblage Point down. Go West and you will find many obstacles(described by Grant, Fort and Cunningham). In fact, you will walk down the rightmost edge of the human emanations. It is a horrible, magical, attractive and blood-chilling place, from which body shakes in ecstasy. Don Juan called the “slums of humanity”. Or you can go south - especially since that place is fairly small. You will be in Heaven, with God, angels and saints. CC advised that human mold is stored there. Southwest - over a bridge, through a narrow gap, in the end of which there is that hole that CC talked about - covered by a flapping skin. You will meet your helper - not a horned demon, but yourself - the one living in a different world. And your unification will become the Commencement of the Great Work, which was mentioned in Kabbalah. Beginning of collecting of the parts of Adam Kadmon. All other 7 worlds, and 7 helpers are awaiting you and your helper(who can be a man a woman a child, or some deformed ugly creature). And when you all get together, and become one - there will be only one step left - a step into indescribable and unknowable Abstract.
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Fil
Will I be able to join you this late into the game? Should I start learning everything posted before?
Ravenna:
We are not competing in power-lifting. This project is about exploring uncharted territories of both real and dream worlds. Who knows, maybe you are the One who is sent to us for an unprecedented indescribable enlightenment? Maybe you are the chosen one, the nagual? Neither of us knows. So,welcome. Every neophyte is a black box. Nobody knows what will come out of it.
Soledat
Ravenna, about Lucid Dreams:
A standard exchange between dreamers starts with a question: “how often do you have lucid dreams” - as an indicator of experience and proficiency. Before that I was too under the impression that DH techniques are about that moment of awareness in a dream.
Ravenna:
Many DH techniques are directed towards activations and prolongation of moments of awareness. This is a basic path of every dreamer. But there are always roundabouts and tricks. These tricks are directed towards gaining control. Judge for yourself: So you see lucid dreams - very often. Now what? Dream scenario is not planned by you. Every intention is only local - it is conceived at the moment of becoming aware. Yes, you will fly and be able to use telekinesis, but it will all be inside a program in which you have no control. Compared to regular dream “users”, you will sort of have a cool dream program, which will be controlling you. This will just a be a wonderful tool for fun and games, just like a computer game or cartoons. On the other hand, controlled dream let you complete large strategic adventures. Their applications are countless - from finding your own blocks to unimaginable magic. Can you imagine - can you do a quest of traveling to Duat in a Lucid Dream? Can you explore the whole dream world? You can do it in a Controlled dream - that is the main difference.
-
Soledat
So, Ravenna, by practicing Lucid dreams, we are actually walking the wrong path? So how do I make a transition from Lucid dreams to Controlled Dreams?
Ravenna:
If you want to jump from Lucid Dreams to Controlled dreams - learn how to inject elements of control. For example - plan the dream ahead. (That\'s by the way what we are after in our Airport and Tickets quest). Learn the elements of control in a dream - change the time of day, learn the words of power, flying, finding the necessary locations. Learn how to enter dreaming through the symbol of your liking - you visualize it, fall asleep(dissolve) in its light and voila! Controlled dream. Later when you get proficient, we will have to make a long and difficult journey West and North. On the North, you will get to the “Path of the Dead” described in a Book of the Dead. In CC description it is the sliding of the Assemblage Point down. Go West and you will find many obstacles(described by Grant, Fort and Cunningham). In fact, you will walk down the rightmost edge of the human emanations. It is a horrible, magical, attractive and blood-chilling place, from which body shakes in ecstasy. Don Juan called the “slums of humanity”. Or you can go south - especially since that place is fairly small. You will be in Heaven, with God, angels and saints. CC advised that human mold is stored there. Southwest - over a bridge, through a narrow gap, in the end of which there is that hole that CC talked about - covered by a flapping skin. You will meet your helper - not a horned demon, but yourself - the one living in a different world. And your unification will become the Commencement of the Great Work, which was mentioned in Kabbalah. Beginning of collecting of the parts of Adam Kadmon. All other 7 worlds, and 7 helpers are awaiting you and your helper(who can be a man a woman a child, or some deformed ugly creature). And when you all get together, and become one - there will be only one step left - a step into indescribable and unknowable Abstract.
-
Fil
Will I be able to join you this late into the game? Should I start learning everything posted before?
Ravenna:
We are not competing in power-lifting. This project is about exploring uncharted territories of both real and dream worlds. Who knows, maybe you are the One who is sent to us for an unprecedented indescribable enlightenment? Maybe you are the chosen one, the nagual? Neither of us knows. So,welcome. Every neophyte is a black box. Nobody knows what will come out of it.
Fil
Ravenna, is it effective to do dreaming and stalking simultaneously. I am also going through your 2004 practicum.
Will I be able to join you this late into the game? Should I start learning everything posted before?
Ravenna:
We are not competing in power-lifting. This project is about exploring uncharted territories of both real and dream worlds. Who knows, maybe you are the One who is sent to us for an unprecedented indescribable enlightenment? Maybe you are the chosen one, the nagual? Neither of us knows. So,welcome. Every neophyte is a black box. Nobody knows what will come out of it.
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Soledat
Ravenna, thanks! This is a completely new vector, different perspective. Now I have a different goal in dreaming. Before I would just get these short-lived moments of awareness from which I would quickly awake. There is a chance now that I am not hopeless, I just never paid attention.
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L
Ravenna, a little elucidation please.. Does Chains of events (COE later) show up in an unconscious dream? If yes, then how - by the progression from one bubble of perception to the next, or by the events in each of the bubbles?
Ravenna:
We could have looked for COE in dreams, and that was my idea when I had suggested to repeat the way of the Egyptians to Duat. In order to discuss it we need a shared experience which is not here at the time.
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nicolos88
Ravenna, should I do the recapitulation if I am accentuating dreaming in my practice, not stalking.
Does it matter if my sleep time is only 5 hours long
Ravenna:
1.Recapitulation is of utmost importance - do it no matter what. By the way - dream mapping is the recapitulation of dreams. That\'s why dreaming is the extension of recapitulation.
2. Lack of sleep is detrimental for dreaming. There are two effective modes of sleep:
1) Sleep deprivation - intentional stoppage of sleep for a prolonged period of time- interesting for exploring dream mechanisms. Bad for your health.
2) Usual regime - 7-9 hours of sleep
3) Da Vinci\'s regime - 4 hours awake, 20-30 min. sleep, etc..
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Reit
Hello, Ravenna. I love playing different computer games. In each game I am trying to find some secret cache with a unique weapon, shield, etc.. This lets me have an advantage. Finally I will know all the secret zones and possibilities of my action character, I will become a POWER USER. One day I decided to look not in the game itself, but in the system folder of the game. As a result I found a lot of interesting stuff. I was able to change characteristics of my character or even characteristics of my enemies and the whole game. I became a POWER Hacker. If you look at dream forum topic, you could see that almost everyone wants to become a power user - increase the number of Lucide Dreams, find secret places,etc..I was moving along the same road. Recently I decided to rethink my tactics. Instead of trying to get more Lucid Dreams, I am trying to start dreaming from a waking state(so not be dependent on the factors in a dream). This is much harder and that\'s why many people quit trying. Finally, the question: Who are we trying to become “Power users” or “Power Hackers”? And which road to take?
Ravenna:
Look at discussion with Soledat.
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GreyCheshireKitten
Ravenna, is there a true story of DH on the web? Will it ever be there?
Ravenna:
Masya is trying to write the true story in her book. If she does not finish - I will write my own version.
Ravenna, is it effective to do dreaming and stalking simultaneously. I am also going through your 2004 practicum.
Will I be able to join you this late into the game? Should I start learning everything posted before?
Ravenna:
We are not competing in power-lifting. This project is about exploring uncharted territories of both real and dream worlds. Who knows, maybe you are the One who is sent to us for an unprecedented indescribable enlightenment? Maybe you are the chosen one, the nagual? Neither of us knows. So,welcome. Every neophyte is a black box. Nobody knows what will come out of it.
-
Soledat
Ravenna, thanks! This is a completely new vector, different perspective. Now I have a different goal in dreaming. Before I would just get these short-lived moments of awareness from which I would quickly awake. There is a chance now that I am not hopeless, I just never paid attention.
-
L
Ravenna, a little elucidation please.. Does Chains of events (COE later) show up in an unconscious dream? If yes, then how - by the progression from one bubble of perception to the next, or by the events in each of the bubbles?
Ravenna:
We could have looked for COE in dreams, and that was my idea when I had suggested to repeat the way of the Egyptians to Duat. In order to discuss it we need a shared experience which is not here at the time.
-
nicolos88
Ravenna, should I do the recapitulation if I am accentuating dreaming in my practice, not stalking.
Does it matter if my sleep time is only 5 hours long
Ravenna:
1.Recapitulation is of utmost importance - do it no matter what. By the way - dream mapping is the recapitulation of dreams. That\'s why dreaming is the extension of recapitulation.
2. Lack of sleep is detrimental for dreaming. There are two effective modes of sleep:
1) Sleep deprivation - intentional stoppage of sleep for a prolonged period of time- interesting for exploring dream mechanisms. Bad for your health.
2) Usual regime - 7-9 hours of sleep
3) Da Vinci\'s regime - 4 hours awake, 20-30 min. sleep, etc..
-
Reit
Hello, Ravenna. I love playing different computer games. In each game I am trying to find some secret cache with a unique weapon, shield, etc.. This lets me have an advantage. Finally I will know all the secret zones and possibilities of my action character, I will become a POWER USER. One day I decided to look not in the game itself, but in the system folder of the game. As a result I found a lot of interesting stuff. I was able to change characteristics of my character or even characteristics of my enemies and the whole game. I became a POWER Hacker. If you look at dream forum topic, you could see that almost everyone wants to become a power user - increase the number of Lucide Dreams, find secret places,etc..I was moving along the same road. Recently I decided to rethink my tactics. Instead of trying to get more Lucid Dreams, I am trying to start dreaming from a waking state(so not be dependent on the factors in a dream). This is much harder and that\'s why many people quit trying. Finally, the question: Who are we trying to become “Power users” or “Power Hackers”? And which road to take?
Ravenna:
Look at discussion with Soledat.
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GreyCheshireKitten
Ravenna, is there a true story of DH on the web? Will it ever be there?
Ravenna:
Masya is trying to write the true story in her book. If she does not finish - I will write my own version.
Loud
When I meet people who are conscious in their dreams they see me with black eyes, it is the usual expression of nagual. All conscious dreamers have black eyes. This fact is so scary to dreamers that they get the hack out of there right away. I have no time to even ask them anything.
Ravenna
(Answering Prnss question about location of hell):
Hell as we know it from literature has two locations. One is on the far West beyond the Yondo desert. Between the Twin cities there is an area populated with horrific creatures with terrible manners. The second location is in before the entrance to the world of Fire. When a Christian gets there, he perceives the Guard as the Prince of Darkness. He was the one that Jesus struggled with. That struggle usually leads to physical death In our reality. But you can make agreements with him. Everything is filled with awe. But the world of Fire is described by our fellow traveler as world of light - more beautiful and evolved than ours. There is another path to that world through the gap on the SouthEast. There will be a thin layer of tonal with 6 gates to different worlds and one will lead to the world of Fire.
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GreyCheshireKitten
Is there an underground in the dream world? I often would find myself in tunnels and caves in my dreams.
Ravenna:
There are many underground places in a dream world. Certainly you can get there and become conscious. When dream is aware, labyrinths represent serious danger. Labyrinths are the realm of inorganic beings, and conscious dreams make people very vulnerable, because we lose many defenses in Conscious dreams. Inorganics can trap you in the labyrinth. Then, by appealing to your emotions they can merge with you. It seems innocuous, but not always. Some malign and benign tumors, lipomas, etc. etc. It is hard not to bite. Sergey Izrigi told us how neo cornered him in a labyrinth. Very narrow corridor started getting filled with adhesive entities. There were throngs of panicking sprites running around. He was about to become a fly trapped in amber. But then the niche opened in a wall and the most beautiful lady took him to a small cave. He was so grateful and she was so wonderful, beautiful, tender and enticing. The feeling was so strong that they immediately embraced on the floor. Sergey thought that they will have sex, but inorganics have no sex organs. He was too late to understand that they have their own way of copulating. Inorganic being just merged him and stayed in his body all his life.
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temniipushistik
I have to questions - according to CC, there are 4 enemies on becoming a warrior one of which is fear. Does fear disappear after you conquer it? So you stop being afraid of anything? Or it is just about the fear of difficulty of learning? Is Stopping the World connected to the victory over Fear?
Ravenna:
On a certain stage, fear stops being a motivating force. Person is still afraid, but nothing can cause blinding panic. During danger, different defense mechanisms get turned on - cold reason and super-fast reaction. Fear becomes indicator of a given situation not something that controls you. Stopping the World has a cumulative effect - it breaks the shell around your mind. Person can never forget what he lived through during the moment of Stopping the World. He can\'t say - oh, it was just a mirage. SW - is when you really understand the illusion of the assembled world, opportunity to assemble a different world, different from ours - and the very fact of existence of other worlds. You stop being human and turn into another being without fear, because that was part of the world that had been stopped.
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defect
Can I meet you in LD or CD? I tried once but was thrown out to reality. Is it worth communicating to other dreamers - does it evolve our dream body? Can an experienced dreamer give newbie a push? Teach someone to get conscious better?
Ravenna:
I am scary for those who see me in Conscious dreams. Not by defects, but by expressions of nagual - horrible scenario, black eyes, and inhuman form. Their bodies shrink and shrivel in nagual\'s presence. Trust me, when you become conscious in a dream, you have the same scary look. Something bright with dark holes for eyes. Only dreaming together allows to keep your usual countenance. But even than eyes are still black. Nothing good ever came out of it. Most of the time dreamers body erases the mind about the contact. Something happened - not sure what.
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Nefrit
I have never seen an airport in my dreams. But you said that a high rise and the airport are one and the same? I saw a high rise several times - it was different but there were always stairwells. Several times it looked like a huge theater with an exit to subway or cathedral. Is this it? Should I intend going there instead of the airport. Also, I don\'t really know how I get there, should I intend some abstract way?
Ravenna:
Certainly, our goal is not airport or transport, but learning how to intend the dream scenario. Nobody will tell you how you do it. I gave you several examples and there are probably as many. But you intuitively know how to formulate intent. People in their own way form scenarios from those intentions. I can come up with tasks like that every minute. They are not important. What is important - for you to find your own unique way of intending and master them perfectly. I have put quest component in order to generate your interest to the project, but again it is not important, only a secondary detail.
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Prnss
Ravenna, I am intrigued by your hell stories. Where else can I read about it. Also, how do you perceive JC stories, you talk about Christ here as he was a dreamer. As I understood, DH don\'t give a damn about religions?
You often say - “Dreamers need this or that, dreamers see me as such and such. Do you consider yourself a dreamer? Are there any other categories?
Ravenna:
Have you seen how small the Heaven is? Can you take religions seriously after that? I met God - wonderful creature. But it is as disappointing as the Garden of Eden. I only told you my impressions -Dante wrote about it, Baggio, Ashton Smith. By “dreamers” I mean those who practice dreaming, including myself.
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Temniipushistik
In a conscious dream I saw a sprite woman(old aged but not old) and something made me approach her, she was nearing the gates, but then turned around and looked at me. Her black eyes frightened me to death, I thought she was death - and she tells me - open the gates. I could only say “No” and woke up. Can sprites have dark eyes as well? About inorganic beings: if it catches you in a labyrinth and merges with you, can it ever become your ally?
Ravenna:
That's exactly what I was talking about - another conscious dreamer looks like death. Sprites don\'t have black eyes - those are the expression of nagual. There is a mix-up when people talk about allies and helpers. I often call ones the others. Allies - are inorganic beings. Helper is another aspect of you living in a different layer of tonal. To get an ally is not a problem. Problem -is to get rid of it. Every magical creature that can make dreams come true is an ally. Crayon, the one who lives in a cat, a house-ghost, an evil spirit, John Dee\'s daemon - they are all allies. Depending on an agreement they can be good or evil, informative or active, but they all need something from us - specific emanations. Some people like such symbiosis, some are appalled by it. A year ago Masya conducted a training in creating magical creatures. That project is archived on the forum.
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Prnss
Is it possible to recapitulate in a dream?
Do you recapitulate yourself and how do you do it?
Ravenna:
In a dream you should do dreaming. Dream mapping is something like dream recapitulation - it is analogous to life recapitulation. I do it once a year for 10-15 days.
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Ravenna:
There are more and more questions which get us further from our project. Let me remind you about our plan. We are preparing for a visit to penumbra\'s heart. It is somewhat of a quest, but you don\'t have to complete it.. However it will give you some good opportunities to learn couple of tricks such as “setting up dreams”.
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Ekvinoks
Can a transit be a bubble of perception and vice versa?
Ravenna:
Do you mean airplane? No, this is also a bubble of perceptions that can play a role of the object activating the transitive connection.
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admitricks
I read somewhere that GRU officers were setting up a trap for Ravenna, is it true?
Ravenna:
I moved three times this year. I live in a different country. But “hand of Moscow” can still be felt. Everything can be bought just as it is in Russia.
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Nikolas
Lately after stopping inner dialogue the world around me starts changing - before it was just a 2d effect, now it is becoming a 3d effect- it starts breathing, and there is an increasing high pitch noise in my ears(stronger in my right ears). I am afraid to experiment - afraid of unknown. Should I try?
Ravenna:
You described the state of Altered Perception. In order to explore you need to stop being afraid. I can tell you - you are not crazy. Don\'t tell anybody about it but don\'t be afraid. Newbies cannot usually get to places of no return. And you need to collect power for a larger shift of assemblage point. So don\'t be afraid, keep your rationality and remember that If you cling to your mind, nagual won\'t bother you.
When I meet people who are conscious in their dreams they see me with black eyes, it is the usual expression of nagual. All conscious dreamers have black eyes. This fact is so scary to dreamers that they get the hack out of there right away. I have no time to even ask them anything.
Ravenna
(Answering Prnss question about location of hell):
Hell as we know it from literature has two locations. One is on the far West beyond the Yondo desert. Between the Twin cities there is an area populated with horrific creatures with terrible manners. The second location is in before the entrance to the world of Fire. When a Christian gets there, he perceives the Guard as the Prince of Darkness. He was the one that Jesus struggled with. That struggle usually leads to physical death In our reality. But you can make agreements with him. Everything is filled with awe. But the world of Fire is described by our fellow traveler as world of light - more beautiful and evolved than ours. There is another path to that world through the gap on the SouthEast. There will be a thin layer of tonal with 6 gates to different worlds and one will lead to the world of Fire.
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GreyCheshireKitten
Is there an underground in the dream world? I often would find myself in tunnels and caves in my dreams.
Ravenna:
There are many underground places in a dream world. Certainly you can get there and become conscious. When dream is aware, labyrinths represent serious danger. Labyrinths are the realm of inorganic beings, and conscious dreams make people very vulnerable, because we lose many defenses in Conscious dreams. Inorganics can trap you in the labyrinth. Then, by appealing to your emotions they can merge with you. It seems innocuous, but not always. Some malign and benign tumors, lipomas, etc. etc. It is hard not to bite. Sergey Izrigi told us how neo cornered him in a labyrinth. Very narrow corridor started getting filled with adhesive entities. There were throngs of panicking sprites running around. He was about to become a fly trapped in amber. But then the niche opened in a wall and the most beautiful lady took him to a small cave. He was so grateful and she was so wonderful, beautiful, tender and enticing. The feeling was so strong that they immediately embraced on the floor. Sergey thought that they will have sex, but inorganics have no sex organs. He was too late to understand that they have their own way of copulating. Inorganic being just merged him and stayed in his body all his life.
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temniipushistik
I have to questions - according to CC, there are 4 enemies on becoming a warrior one of which is fear. Does fear disappear after you conquer it? So you stop being afraid of anything? Or it is just about the fear of difficulty of learning? Is Stopping the World connected to the victory over Fear?
Ravenna:
On a certain stage, fear stops being a motivating force. Person is still afraid, but nothing can cause blinding panic. During danger, different defense mechanisms get turned on - cold reason and super-fast reaction. Fear becomes indicator of a given situation not something that controls you. Stopping the World has a cumulative effect - it breaks the shell around your mind. Person can never forget what he lived through during the moment of Stopping the World. He can\'t say - oh, it was just a mirage. SW - is when you really understand the illusion of the assembled world, opportunity to assemble a different world, different from ours - and the very fact of existence of other worlds. You stop being human and turn into another being without fear, because that was part of the world that had been stopped.
-
defect
Can I meet you in LD or CD? I tried once but was thrown out to reality. Is it worth communicating to other dreamers - does it evolve our dream body? Can an experienced dreamer give newbie a push? Teach someone to get conscious better?
Ravenna:
I am scary for those who see me in Conscious dreams. Not by defects, but by expressions of nagual - horrible scenario, black eyes, and inhuman form. Their bodies shrink and shrivel in nagual\'s presence. Trust me, when you become conscious in a dream, you have the same scary look. Something bright with dark holes for eyes. Only dreaming together allows to keep your usual countenance. But even than eyes are still black. Nothing good ever came out of it. Most of the time dreamers body erases the mind about the contact. Something happened - not sure what.
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Nefrit
I have never seen an airport in my dreams. But you said that a high rise and the airport are one and the same? I saw a high rise several times - it was different but there were always stairwells. Several times it looked like a huge theater with an exit to subway or cathedral. Is this it? Should I intend going there instead of the airport. Also, I don\'t really know how I get there, should I intend some abstract way?
Ravenna:
Certainly, our goal is not airport or transport, but learning how to intend the dream scenario. Nobody will tell you how you do it. I gave you several examples and there are probably as many. But you intuitively know how to formulate intent. People in their own way form scenarios from those intentions. I can come up with tasks like that every minute. They are not important. What is important - for you to find your own unique way of intending and master them perfectly. I have put quest component in order to generate your interest to the project, but again it is not important, only a secondary detail.
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Prnss
Ravenna, I am intrigued by your hell stories. Where else can I read about it. Also, how do you perceive JC stories, you talk about Christ here as he was a dreamer. As I understood, DH don\'t give a damn about religions?
You often say - “Dreamers need this or that, dreamers see me as such and such. Do you consider yourself a dreamer? Are there any other categories?
Ravenna:
Have you seen how small the Heaven is? Can you take religions seriously after that? I met God - wonderful creature. But it is as disappointing as the Garden of Eden. I only told you my impressions -Dante wrote about it, Baggio, Ashton Smith. By “dreamers” I mean those who practice dreaming, including myself.
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Temniipushistik
In a conscious dream I saw a sprite woman(old aged but not old) and something made me approach her, she was nearing the gates, but then turned around and looked at me. Her black eyes frightened me to death, I thought she was death - and she tells me - open the gates. I could only say “No” and woke up. Can sprites have dark eyes as well? About inorganic beings: if it catches you in a labyrinth and merges with you, can it ever become your ally?
Ravenna:
That's exactly what I was talking about - another conscious dreamer looks like death. Sprites don\'t have black eyes - those are the expression of nagual. There is a mix-up when people talk about allies and helpers. I often call ones the others. Allies - are inorganic beings. Helper is another aspect of you living in a different layer of tonal. To get an ally is not a problem. Problem -is to get rid of it. Every magical creature that can make dreams come true is an ally. Crayon, the one who lives in a cat, a house-ghost, an evil spirit, John Dee\'s daemon - they are all allies. Depending on an agreement they can be good or evil, informative or active, but they all need something from us - specific emanations. Some people like such symbiosis, some are appalled by it. A year ago Masya conducted a training in creating magical creatures. That project is archived on the forum.
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Prnss
Is it possible to recapitulate in a dream?
Do you recapitulate yourself and how do you do it?
Ravenna:
In a dream you should do dreaming. Dream mapping is something like dream recapitulation - it is analogous to life recapitulation. I do it once a year for 10-15 days.
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Ravenna:
There are more and more questions which get us further from our project. Let me remind you about our plan. We are preparing for a visit to penumbra\'s heart. It is somewhat of a quest, but you don\'t have to complete it.. However it will give you some good opportunities to learn couple of tricks such as “setting up dreams”.
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Ekvinoks
Can a transit be a bubble of perception and vice versa?
Ravenna:
Do you mean airplane? No, this is also a bubble of perceptions that can play a role of the object activating the transitive connection.
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admitricks
I read somewhere that GRU officers were setting up a trap for Ravenna, is it true?
Ravenna:
I moved three times this year. I live in a different country. But “hand of Moscow” can still be felt. Everything can be bought just as it is in Russia.
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Nikolas
Lately after stopping inner dialogue the world around me starts changing - before it was just a 2d effect, now it is becoming a 3d effect- it starts breathing, and there is an increasing high pitch noise in my ears(stronger in my right ears). I am afraid to experiment - afraid of unknown. Should I try?
Ravenna:
You described the state of Altered Perception. In order to explore you need to stop being afraid. I can tell you - you are not crazy. Don\'t tell anybody about it but don\'t be afraid. Newbies cannot usually get to places of no return. And you need to collect power for a larger shift of assemblage point. So don\'t be afraid, keep your rationality and remember that If you cling to your mind, nagual won\'t bother you.
So, here's the thing. In the last few days I noticed increased number of dream flashbacks - memories of locations or
events from past dreams. They occur regardless of what I'm doing and they don't seem connected with it in any way.
Sometimes they appear "static" (like a postcard or a photo of some location), another time they are like any other
everyday memory (memory of some event or discussion or something else).
As far as I can tell they don't seem to be connected (i.e. next to one another on dream map) but rather scattered along the dreamscape and possibly even on different levels. I have to admit that I gave up dream mapping quite some time ago because of a problem I couldn't solve - I had a lot of different locations that just wouldn't fit together but they were so detailed that if I wanted to create a map of only my "home town" it wouldn't fit on any size of paper.
Has anybody experienced anything similar? And more importantly - is there anything I can do with those images/memories since they're on my mind more often than other thoughts?
Thanks.
Regards,
Saso
As far as I can tell they don't seem to be connected (i.e. next to one another on dream map) but rather scattered along the dreamscape and possibly even on different levels. I have to admit that I gave up dream mapping quite some time ago because of a problem I couldn't solve - I had a lot of different locations that just wouldn't fit together but they were so detailed that if I wanted to create a map of only my "home town" it wouldn't fit on any size of paper.
Has anybody experienced anything similar? And more importantly - is there anything I can do with those images/memories since they're on my mind more often than other thoughts?
Thanks.
Regards,
Saso
Saso, there's a trick: you need to continue keeping and locate your dreams. And that's why. Flashbacks - it's good.
Maybe it say: your assemblage point doing micro-shift to a new position. Dreamhackers tell us about the X-moment, when
you remember the most dreams of your life! It's unbelievable!
So. It's ok, that you can't connect some locations. Some places dream map looks like your reality, but the pieces may be connected the other way. Let them go. Later everything will be good.
The map it's a trick.
Be an explorer
So. It's ok, that you can't connect some locations. Some places dream map looks like your reality, but the pieces may be connected the other way. Let them go. Later everything will be good.
The map it's a trick.
Be an explorer
There is no goal in trying to combine all parts of your map together. The main task is to have
intention to do that. That's the trick. Your dream memory will awake more and more, you will remember
in you dream that you have a special task - to remember a landscpe, to create a map. This will help you to have lucid
dreams. However it's just a trick. One day quantity will transform into quality and you will have an insight - you will
at once, in a series of instantaneous flashbacks recollect all your
dreams even those you never known. Besides there will be no need in you map 'cos you will just know it
from A to Z - just in one moment and forever. That's the power of mapping technique.
Thanks for your comments, фёдор and D.K.Meron.
Yes, I noticed that the mapping task crosses into the dream somehow - I had a couple of (lucid) dreams in which I was trying to find the southern border. But as you said - most of it was just quantity and very little (if any at all) quality.
Is there any other trick like mapping? Since I am no good at drawing, I am currently working on a systematization - I search for connections between elements of dreams to determine the recurring elements and relations between them but it doesn't seem to give desired results.
Regards,
Yes, I noticed that the mapping task crosses into the dream somehow - I had a couple of (lucid) dreams in which I was trying to find the southern border. But as you said - most of it was just quantity and very little (if any at all) quality.
Is there any other trick like mapping? Since I am no good at drawing, I am currently working on a systematization - I search for connections between elements of dreams to determine the recurring elements and relations between them but it doesn't seem to give desired results.
Regards,
Saso, you don't need to be a good painter to practice dream mapping. You can do it just schematically, so that you could
remember your dreams, looking at your map.
There is a special programm for dream mapping - "First gate". You can download it here:
http://dhlab.ru/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item9
Unfortunately, it's interface is russian only. But the programm is very useful and convenient.
There is a special programm for dream mapping - "First gate". You can download it here:
http://dhlab.ru/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item9
Unfortunately, it's interface is russian only. But the programm is very useful and convenient.
Hey, Psychonaut.
I am familiar with the "First Gate" program but I never found it to be too usefull. I guess that the interface language is the main barrier - I know a bit of Cyrillic but unfortunately not enough. I will give it a second look though I don't think that I will enter all the dreams - it took me over three months to rewrite around six years of dream diaries to a computer file.
Thanks for the download link.
Regards,
I am familiar with the "First Gate" program but I never found it to be too usefull. I guess that the interface language is the main barrier - I know a bit of Cyrillic but unfortunately not enough. I will give it a second look though I don't think that I will enter all the dreams - it took me over three months to rewrite around six years of dream diaries to a computer file.
Thanks for the download link.
Regards,
Saso, you don't need to rewrite all your dreams again. Although there is a dream diary in this programm. You can just
mention them by some words or phrases - so that you could recall those dreams. Much more interesting is the next step.
When you associate your dreams with "dream bubbles" and put this "bubbles" on the map.
If you find interface language as a main barrier, ok, I'll translate some of it's key features.
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Main menu:
rus: Журнал / Сон / Карта / Вид / Помощь
eng: Journal / Dream / Map / View / Help
Sub-menu 'Журнал/Journal':
Новый / Открыть / Сохранить / Сохранить как / Экспорт (в XML) / Выход
New / Open / Save / Save as / Export (to XML) / Exit
Sub-menu 'Сон/Dream':
Новый / Показать / Удалить
New / Show / Delete
Sub-menu 'Карта/Map':
Приблизить / Отодвинуть / Новая зона / Режим редактирования зон / Создать новый шар
Zoom in / Zoom out / New zone / Edit zones mode / Create new bubble
Sub-menues 'Вид/View' and 'Помощь/Help' - no need to use.
(to be continued....)
If you find interface language as a main barrier, ok, I'll translate some of it's key features.
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Main menu:
rus: Журнал / Сон / Карта / Вид / Помощь
eng: Journal / Dream / Map / View / Help
Sub-menu 'Журнал/Journal':
Новый / Открыть / Сохранить / Сохранить как / Экспорт (в XML) / Выход
New / Open / Save / Save as / Export (to XML) / Exit
Sub-menu 'Сон/Dream':
Новый / Показать / Удалить
New / Show / Delete
Sub-menu 'Карта/Map':
Приблизить / Отодвинуть / Новая зона / Режим редактирования зон / Создать новый шар
Zoom in / Zoom out / New zone / Edit zones mode / Create new bubble
Sub-menues 'Вид/View' and 'Помощь/Help' - no need to use.
(to be continued....)
Well, next row is pictogramm menu. It's items are as follows:
New dream / Delete dream / Zoom in / Zoom out / Show/hide grid / New zone / Put zones on the map / New perception bubble / Levels (pull-down menu, default is 'zero level').
So, this "New perception bubble" button is most interesting, that's why I emphasized it.
When you press it (a button with a ball and "+" on it), programm will ask you to enter a name for new bubble, it's color and (on the next tab) it's short description.
This new bubble will appear in a list at left side.
Then - you can drag-and-drop ip on the map! That's it!
Create and place on the map as much bubbles as you can - that is cartography. :"":
(You can also edit zones on a map. By default it looks like the map as dreamhackers discovered it. But you can customise it as you wish.)
New dream / Delete dream / Zoom in / Zoom out / Show/hide grid / New zone / Put zones on the map / New perception bubble / Levels (pull-down menu, default is 'zero level').
So, this "New perception bubble" button is most interesting, that's why I emphasized it.
When you press it (a button with a ball and "+" on it), programm will ask you to enter a name for new bubble, it's color and (on the next tab) it's short description.
This new bubble will appear in a list at left side.
Then - you can drag-and-drop ip on the map! That's it!
Create and place on the map as much bubbles as you can - that is cartography. :"":
(You can also edit zones on a map. By default it looks like the map as dreamhackers discovered it. But you can customise it as you wish.)
Wow! Thanks a lot! If I lived closer I would definitely invite you for a drink for this.
I'll give it another try and see where it leads.
Regards,
I'll give it another try and see where it leads.
Regards,
Zones of the default map.
You can edit them in: Map -> Edit zones mode.
(For example, you can change their russian names to english ones)
█ Город - Town
█ Дорога - Road
█ Зона катаклизмов - Zone of cataclysms
█ Сельские домики - Village houses
█ Реки, озера - Rivers, lakes
█ Равнина - Plain
█ Горы - Mountains
█ Парк - Park
█ Город(нижний), промзона - Town (lower), industrial area
█ Зона лабиринтов - Zone of labyrinths
█ Лес - Forest
█ Море - Sea
█ Пустыня - Desert
█ Болото - Swamp
█ Пляж - Beach
Home - is in the center of the map
South - at the top
North - at the bottom
East - to the right
West - to the left
(Map of dream-world is mirrored, as you probably know.)
You can edit them in: Map -> Edit zones mode.
(For example, you can change their russian names to english ones)
█ Город - Town
█ Дорога - Road
█ Зона катаклизмов - Zone of cataclysms
█ Сельские домики - Village houses
█ Реки, озера - Rivers, lakes
█ Равнина - Plain
█ Горы - Mountains
█ Парк - Park
█ Город(нижний), промзона - Town (lower), industrial area
█ Зона лабиринтов - Zone of labyrinths
█ Лес - Forest
█ Море - Sea
█ Пустыня - Desert
█ Болото - Swamp
█ Пляж - Beach
Home - is in the center of the map
South - at the top
North - at the bottom
East - to the right
West - to the left
(Map of dream-world is mirrored, as you probably know.)
I have a question about dream objects – entities with their own energy. The thing is that after seeing their energy they
radiate in different colors, for example
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
- beings with yellowish / whitish glow – those are most common, acording to CC those should be human dreamers
- In an underground cave I found a whale-like / shark-like creature that radiated light blueish glow (I think that it was some kind of transit, since after touching it I was transported to an underground canyon)
- After removing its' face this other creature started to glow in shades of dark blue / black
- Today I had a conversation with someone about life energy without form and after seeing some kind of bright purple egg-shaped form I woke up instantly
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
I just saw a topic called "Treatment" in the Russian Questions and Answers section (url:
http://dreamhackers.eu/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=0#p36574).
First of, I am not from Russia but still I had kind of new / unexplained experience and I think it might be in that time interval (19. - 21. 11. 2011 in late afternoon / early evening). I saw some kind of "rip" in space in middle of my living room. It looked like someone took a knife and made a cut through air and there was this thin yellowish line with blueish glow around it. The biggest one was about 0.5 meters long and it dissipated when I tried to focus on it.
Regards,
First of, I am not from Russia but still I had kind of new / unexplained experience and I think it might be in that time interval (19. - 21. 11. 2011 in late afternoon / early evening). I saw some kind of "rip" in space in middle of my living room. It looked like someone took a knife and made a cut through air and there was this thin yellowish line with blueish glow around it. The biggest one was about 0.5 meters long and it dissipated when I tried to focus on it.
Regards,
http://dreamhackers.eu/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=0#p36582
rawneyo писал(а): ioneks, Thank you. Unfortunately, my knowledge of foreign languages is far from normal. I'd like you to ask Saso, what did he feel while observing the cut. It would let us have more certain information on the scale of the phenomenon.
I was surprised to see something like that in waking reality (even did a couple of reality checks to see if I was
actually awake) but other than that there was no special feelings nor strong emotions.
About my dreams at that time - I had two very short, but vivid and rather intense conscious dreams in two days after a looooong dry spell. The first was about 5-6 shadows flying around our heads and after sitting down on fences changing shapes into eagles. I stretch my arm and try to touch one of them and it spreads its wings and jumps on my arm. We look each other in the eyes, then it makes a sound and flies off. The other birds leave as well.
The second was also about birds, but this time there was only one eagle, about one meter in height. When I saw it, I tried to stabilize the environment but someone called me and I lost my focus.
Ioneks, thank you for translating.
About my dreams at that time - I had two very short, but vivid and rather intense conscious dreams in two days after a looooong dry spell. The first was about 5-6 shadows flying around our heads and after sitting down on fences changing shapes into eagles. I stretch my arm and try to touch one of them and it spreads its wings and jumps on my arm. We look each other in the eyes, then it makes a sound and flies off. The other birds leave as well.
The second was also about birds, but this time there was only one eagle, about one meter in height. When I saw it, I tried to stabilize the environment but someone called me and I lost my focus.
Ioneks, thank you for translating.
Saso, you're welcome.
If some Russian posts are unclear for you, feel free to ask for comments/translation. My powers are limited, but some small help from me can be expected. The offer is valid for any Russian post, not only Questions&Answers.
If some Russian posts are unclear for you, feel free to ask for comments/translation. My powers are limited, but some small help from me can be expected. The offer is valid for any Russian post, not only Questions&Answers.
ioneks, thank you for your offer. I know that language barrier can be a problem, but after about three or four years of
reading these materials translated by google translate I kind of got used to it. And besides, it is a good opportunity
to learn some Russian on the way.
By the way - I think you posted my last reply in the wrong topic...
Thanks again!
By the way - I think you posted my last reply in the wrong topic...
Thanks again!
19-21\11 - after some reconstruction of dates... i don't remember any dreams.
at the 15 though i crushed with a vision of some of the caves i had been touring since 1st food circle until darkness up the steep heels ( mountains?) - most people in the rainbow gathering slept in caves, all caves at center camp were occupied, so i spend half a day measuring caves (most were sleeping-bag-size). felt my age. no cave was in a reasonable place for an old woman to climb in the dark -winning moon too - last thing i found my remote 2 rooms cave.
at each cave i laid "for measure" but than i realized i was actually getting briefly into dreaming (just closed eyes and saw the orange eye) - later when i had the vision of the dark arched little caves on falling asleep, i saw what i was doing - leaving my traces in each cave for my stalkers, probably to protect the spirit of the cave that will eventually give me shelter (remembering the sad story of the beloved spirit of cave in Kithyra that my partner and i caused, by tragical mistake, his fall... than we performed a future change for all the spirits of caves until the end of earth)
falling asleep i thought, enthusiastic, "now i'll fly to and fro between the caves on opposite mountains! and this time i will remember!"
but i didn't remember. as usual.
16 - i think - is when again i fell asleep enthusiastic noting "these will be important dreams!"
were there?
no clue.
17 i woke and climbed the mountain above my cave (for reception) with my notebook lap-top - i was carrying it with me 3 days in order to climb a mountain and always other thing happened.
was relived to find a smooth way up (my cave was marginal - if a flood came, i was to run quickly along the steep wall to the near gorge and clime the mountain - was a bit worried before climbing it on daytime) than a turn left - east - exposed center camp - main fire, kitchen... set in an easy to access cavelet, accessed the internet and entered Dark Forest of Consciousness.
no new posts at the thread of my workshop. nor at the Russian forum - Xiximora's was the last, still untranslated.
this could be Xelexa's messing - on my last nights on the internet he gave me a demonstration of his talents - post appeared 2 days after it's date, than Osiris' mails with links to the new posts appeared yet another day later. on previous occasions (other sites) i saw posts being deleted, half my mail archive been deleted (than some of it re-appeared)
...no, i saw, this was for real. the workshop is freezes.
OK, let me prepare that PM i promised Yoneks like a week ago.
but i could not concentrate.
(still didn't... not for forgetting or not caring. sorry, yoneks.)
shall i post? what?
wasting precious battery...
behind me was a fine stone floor between 2 slopes, above a crevice.
i shut the PC and went down to dance. the question i put: how do i relate to the freezing of the workshop, than how is correct for me to relate to it.
answers: i did with a bit of panic, which prevented me from performing the accurate set of actions.
danced on how to make the difference (between the way i relate to it and the correct way to relate)
not bothering with interpretation i took of my dress (staying with trousers and shirt).
felt the panic lifting off, mood clears.
the mountains reverberate with choruses: "food circle! now!"
at the circle someone hugged me - Gabriel!" remember? ten years ago you taught me to knock on death's gates."
another young man who missed his lesson at Ein Carem reacted with joy to have a second chance.
i was exited!
I announced a workshop of long recapitulation after food circle. a third guy joined. took them of course to the stone floor.
one thing i didn't have - the ceremonial bite of meet for recovering after the lesson. usually i bring some tuna fish cans - this time i didn't.
(edit: in the vegetarian rainbow eating meat\fish is illegal - an absurd, in a "tribe" claiming to follow American Indian warriors... but so be it.)
i roasted few potatoes in the kitchen's fire instead.
when we set to our improvised meal, a woman arrived with 2 little kids, looking for a tin opener . we opened her tuna can with a knife for her.
"take some, as much as you wish" she said.
"as much as you wish is all".
"take all!"
i gave her the big potato - she was so happy with it - the kids actually ate! i still have a poncho she gave me for the rain.
all 3 groups that i taught (7 students total) got their tuna cans - which i take for a clear and far-reaching omen, yet to unravel.
19\11 i inherited Gabriel's cave at the center.
don't remember any dreams... just some "imagined actions" before sleep.
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at the 15 though i crushed with a vision of some of the caves i had been touring since 1st food circle until darkness up the steep heels ( mountains?) - most people in the rainbow gathering slept in caves, all caves at center camp were occupied, so i spend half a day measuring caves (most were sleeping-bag-size). felt my age. no cave was in a reasonable place for an old woman to climb in the dark -winning moon too - last thing i found my remote 2 rooms cave.
at each cave i laid "for measure" but than i realized i was actually getting briefly into dreaming (just closed eyes and saw the orange eye) - later when i had the vision of the dark arched little caves on falling asleep, i saw what i was doing - leaving my traces in each cave for my stalkers, probably to protect the spirit of the cave that will eventually give me shelter (remembering the sad story of the beloved spirit of cave in Kithyra that my partner and i caused, by tragical mistake, his fall... than we performed a future change for all the spirits of caves until the end of earth)
falling asleep i thought, enthusiastic, "now i'll fly to and fro between the caves on opposite mountains! and this time i will remember!"
but i didn't remember. as usual.
16 - i think - is when again i fell asleep enthusiastic noting "these will be important dreams!"
were there?
no clue.
17 i woke and climbed the mountain above my cave (for reception) with my notebook lap-top - i was carrying it with me 3 days in order to climb a mountain and always other thing happened.
was relived to find a smooth way up (my cave was marginal - if a flood came, i was to run quickly along the steep wall to the near gorge and clime the mountain - was a bit worried before climbing it on daytime) than a turn left - east - exposed center camp - main fire, kitchen... set in an easy to access cavelet, accessed the internet and entered Dark Forest of Consciousness.
no new posts at the thread of my workshop. nor at the Russian forum - Xiximora's was the last, still untranslated.
this could be Xelexa's messing - on my last nights on the internet he gave me a demonstration of his talents - post appeared 2 days after it's date, than Osiris' mails with links to the new posts appeared yet another day later. on previous occasions (other sites) i saw posts being deleted, half my mail archive been deleted (than some of it re-appeared)
...no, i saw, this was for real. the workshop is freezes.
OK, let me prepare that PM i promised Yoneks like a week ago.
but i could not concentrate.
(still didn't... not for forgetting or not caring. sorry, yoneks.)
shall i post? what?
wasting precious battery...
behind me was a fine stone floor between 2 slopes, above a crevice.
i shut the PC and went down to dance. the question i put: how do i relate to the freezing of the workshop, than how is correct for me to relate to it.
answers: i did with a bit of panic, which prevented me from performing the accurate set of actions.
danced on how to make the difference (between the way i relate to it and the correct way to relate)
not bothering with interpretation i took of my dress (staying with trousers and shirt).
felt the panic lifting off, mood clears.
the mountains reverberate with choruses: "food circle! now!"
at the circle someone hugged me - Gabriel!" remember? ten years ago you taught me to knock on death's gates."
another young man who missed his lesson at Ein Carem reacted with joy to have a second chance.
i was exited!
I announced a workshop of long recapitulation after food circle. a third guy joined. took them of course to the stone floor.
one thing i didn't have - the ceremonial bite of meet for recovering after the lesson. usually i bring some tuna fish cans - this time i didn't.
(edit: in the vegetarian rainbow eating meat\fish is illegal - an absurd, in a "tribe" claiming to follow American Indian warriors... but so be it.)
i roasted few potatoes in the kitchen's fire instead.
when we set to our improvised meal, a woman arrived with 2 little kids, looking for a tin opener . we opened her tuna can with a knife for her.
"take some, as much as you wish" she said.
"as much as you wish is all".
"take all!"
i gave her the big potato - she was so happy with it - the kids actually ate! i still have a poncho she gave me for the rain.
all 3 groups that i taught (7 students total) got their tuna cans - which i take for a clear and far-reaching omen, yet to unravel.
19\11 i inherited Gabriel's cave at the center.
don't remember any dreams... just some "imagined actions" before sleep.
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Hello,
I was just re-reading some of the old DH materials and I was wondering if any of you knows where I could get Masyanya's book The World Falling In Your Palm and Spam's The Theory of a spiritual Way?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Saso
I was just re-reading some of the old DH materials and I was wondering if any of you knows where I could get Masyanya's book The World Falling In Your Palm and Spam's The Theory of a spiritual Way?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Saso
Hi, Saso!
If I am not mistaken the first chapter of Masyanya's has already been translated (but not here), the whole book is not availbale due to problems with copyright.
If I am not mistaken the first chapter of Masyanya's has already been translated (but not here), the whole book is not availbale due to problems with copyright.
Hi, D.K.Meron,
I remember reading the translation of the first chapter of Masyanya's book some time ago, but I can't remember, where I found it... When you say problems with copyright - do you mean copyright for publishing the book in Russian or copyright for English translation? Do you by any chance happen to know where I could get a Russian version? Preferably in .doc, .txt or .pdf?
What about Spam's book?
Thanks again.
Regards,
Saso
I remember reading the translation of the first chapter of Masyanya's book some time ago, but I can't remember, where I found it... When you say problems with copyright - do you mean copyright for publishing the book in Russian or copyright for English translation? Do you by any chance happen to know where I could get a Russian version? Preferably in .doc, .txt or .pdf?
What about Spam's book?
Thanks again.
Regards,
Saso
Hi!
This chapter was on one forum with DH-threads. Unfortunately I do not remember the name, something like "parallelvision.com" with "parallel" part.
There were troubles with Russian version - it could be easily stolen and reprinted by others, as it has already happened... so may be it is published somewhere in Europe, I do not know.
About Spam's book - the same
However I attached a Russian version in .doc. Two chapters...
This chapter was on one forum with DH-threads. Unfortunately I do not remember the name, something like "parallelvision.com" with "parallel" part.
There were troubles with Russian version - it could be easily stolen and reprinted by others, as it has already happened... so may be it is published somewhere in Europe, I do not know.
About Spam's book - the same
However I attached a Russian version in .doc. Two chapters...
Oh, I see... I'm sorry to hear that these things are still so complicated.
Thank you very much for the attachment. This
should keep me busy for a while.
Regards,
Saso
Thank you very much for the attachment.
This
should keep me busy for a while.Regards,
Saso
Hey, guys. I've been working with my dream diaries for a while now and I have a couple of questions that came across my
mind during the process. I would appreciate your feedback on this.
First of, I would like to hear your opinion on how does having a partner and practicing dreaming work out for you (if you have one)? Or is he/she a dreamer, too?
How does going to work influence your dreaming practices?
Is anyone familiar with Doc's healing through dreaming? Do you know, how that is done? The way I understand it is to get into dreaming and look for physical body that needs healing. Or am I misinterpreting it?
How much of what you know about Dreamhackers and their dreaming practices have you experienced yourself?
Did you experience the explosion of dream memories? If so, can you ''describe'' the experience so I can try to compare it with what happened / is happening to me?
What is your ''interpretation'' of OBE and AP? Do I understand correctly that it is the same as what Dreamhackers refer to as Controlled Dreaming?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Saso
First of, I would like to hear your opinion on how does having a partner and practicing dreaming work out for you (if you have one)? Or is he/she a dreamer, too?
How does going to work influence your dreaming practices?
Is anyone familiar with Doc's healing through dreaming? Do you know, how that is done? The way I understand it is to get into dreaming and look for physical body that needs healing. Or am I misinterpreting it?
How much of what you know about Dreamhackers and their dreaming practices have you experienced yourself?
Did you experience the explosion of dream memories? If so, can you ''describe'' the experience so I can try to compare it with what happened / is happening to me?
What is your ''interpretation'' of OBE and AP? Do I understand correctly that it is the same as what Dreamhackers refer to as Controlled Dreaming?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Saso
Hi, Saso!
I do not have a lot of experience in CD but I hope some information may be useful.
Well, actually I do not have a partner but our collective energy tuning that we practice from time to time produce a good effect!
I think that in some ways it helps to make our intent stronger, so energy will move within a particular way.
Going to work is something that usually makes us tired and we waste energy here. However it is just a question of strategy.
During my work day I try to practice stalking, I try to save energy and strenghten my intent, even I do some tensegrity passes or yoga!
I suppose that work will not influnce you dreaming practice if you perform this work with love and acceptance. We just re-view our position to life and consider everything as a possibility to practice.
At the same time Ravenna once said that if we want to become a magician or sorcerer our way should be outside family, hard physical work and social engagement.
I have no info about the way of Doc's healing however I've read that he helps people to get of labyrinths that symbolises illness.
He can see a personal pattern then he enters labyrinth. There is a possibility to see this pattern, Izrigi wrote about it once (exercise "to catch a soma").
And there an easy way to heal somebody - you make a "crazy loop" in you dream, find sprite of someone you need and again and again try to heal him or her with different amulets or charms.
How much I have experienced.
You know that now DH has a really huge field of data and we may need years and years to read and practice it all!
There are some very talented practicians that succeed almost in each excercise. Other perople try to catch up. This path is marvellous but there is no time and perfection to succeed in everything. In each workshop there are those who obtain everything that Ravenna gives to us and those who say that all that is "rubbish". I have some experience related to DH... but this amount is so small in relation to the whole Path!....
"Did you experience the explosion of dream memories?".
I did not have this experience. Ravenna said that after this explosion something changes - you can freely enter dream from awaking state - there are no restraints, you can throw away your map because there is no need in it - you know you dream world from A to Z... everything becomes clear, you recall all your dreams but not at once: it may take a month or a year to unzip all your recalling data.
OBE (=AP) happens when your dream body enters real world. If this happens you can say that you have passed "third gate" of CD.
Well I hope I answer your questions
P.S. If you have some interesting and unusual experience we would be glad to read about it at this site.
Or may be you perform some researches/experiments or have some ideas about it: by all means there are dreamers who will join!
I do not have a lot of experience in CD but I hope some information may be useful.
Well, actually I do not have a partner but our collective energy tuning that we practice from time to time produce a good effect!
I think that in some ways it helps to make our intent stronger, so energy will move within a particular way.
Going to work is something that usually makes us tired and we waste energy here. However it is just a question of strategy.
During my work day I try to practice stalking, I try to save energy and strenghten my intent, even I do some tensegrity passes or yoga!
I suppose that work will not influnce you dreaming practice if you perform this work with love and acceptance. We just re-view our position to life and consider everything as a possibility to practice.
At the same time Ravenna once said that if we want to become a magician or sorcerer our way should be outside family, hard physical work and social engagement.
I have no info about the way of Doc's healing however I've read that he helps people to get of labyrinths that symbolises illness.
He can see a personal pattern then he enters labyrinth. There is a possibility to see this pattern, Izrigi wrote about it once (exercise "to catch a soma").
And there an easy way to heal somebody - you make a "crazy loop" in you dream, find sprite of someone you need and again and again try to heal him or her with different amulets or charms.
How much I have experienced.
You know that now DH has a really huge field of data and we may need years and years to read and practice it all!
There are some very talented practicians that succeed almost in each excercise. Other perople try to catch up. This path is marvellous but there is no time and perfection to succeed in everything. In each workshop there are those who obtain everything that Ravenna gives to us and those who say that all that is "rubbish". I have some experience related to DH... but this amount is so small in relation to the whole Path!....
"Did you experience the explosion of dream memories?".
I did not have this experience. Ravenna said that after this explosion something changes - you can freely enter dream from awaking state - there are no restraints, you can throw away your map because there is no need in it - you know you dream world from A to Z... everything becomes clear, you recall all your dreams but not at once: it may take a month or a year to unzip all your recalling data.
OBE (=AP) happens when your dream body enters real world. If this happens you can say that you have passed "third gate" of CD.
Well I hope I answer your questions
P.S. If you have some interesting and unusual experience we would be glad to read about it at this site.
Or may be you perform some researches/experiments or have some ideas about it: by all means there are dreamers who will join!
Hey, D.K.Meron,
I was asking about Doc's ways of healing because of a vision that came to me in a meditation (I translated this "on the go", so if it is not understandable, please feel free to say):
A room with shady, monotone atmosphere, I think the place is made of wood. There is a wooden bed, on it lying a female figure in a white sleeping shirt, with some king of kerchief on her head, her hands lying on her stomach, she looks like she's asleep (or in a comma?). There is a dark red cover spread over white bed sheets. Next to the bed a wooden chair, a man sitting on it. He is turned with his back towards me (as if I stand behind him). He is dressed in a brownish jacket with white, soft collar, jeans and brownish boots. He sits with his right elbow nearly on his right knee, left hand resting on left leg. With his right hand (thumb and index finger stretched) he makes pressure on his eyes. He has dark (dark brown or black) hair and a beard, I think.
I have a strong feeling that this was some kind of demonstration of healing through "the interface of vision", but unfortunately I still didn't take enough time to test it myself.
I really
appreciate your feedback, because usually people don't understand that much of what I'm saying.
When I
translate some experience I'll definitely post them here.
I've noticed that myself. I actually find it easier to flow with the stream than to work by myself. And it is more fun that way, too.D.K.Meron писал(а):... Well, actually I do not have a partner but our collective energy tuning that we practice from time to time produce a good effect!
I think that in some ways it helps to make our intent stronger, so energy will move within a particular way.
I understand. I guess I'm just trying to figure out how to combine the dreaming practices with some sort of work/income to cover the expenses.D.K.Meron писал(а):Going to work is something that usually makes us tired and we waste energy here. However it is just a question of strategy.
During my work day I try to practice stalking, I try to save energy and strenghten my intent, even I do some tensegrity passes or yoga!
I suppose that work will not influnce you dreaming practice if you perform this work with love and acceptance. We just re-view our position to life and consider everything as a possibility to practice.
At the same time Ravenna once said that if we want to become a magician or sorcerer our way should be outside family, hard physical work and social engagement.
I vaguely remember reading Izrigi's "to catch a soma" exercise, but it's been a while so I should have to refresh my memory about it.D.K.Meron писал(а):I have no info about the way of Doc's healing however I've read that he helps people to get of labyrinths that symbolises illness.
He can see a personal pattern then he enters labyrinth. There is a possibility to see this pattern, Izrigi wrote about it once (exercise "to catch a soma").
And there an easy way to heal somebody - you make a "crazy loop" in you dream, find sprite of someone you need and again and again try to heal him or her with different amulets or charms.
I was asking about Doc's ways of healing because of a vision that came to me in a meditation (I translated this "on the go", so if it is not understandable, please feel free to say):
A room with shady, monotone atmosphere, I think the place is made of wood. There is a wooden bed, on it lying a female figure in a white sleeping shirt, with some king of kerchief on her head, her hands lying on her stomach, she looks like she's asleep (or in a comma?). There is a dark red cover spread over white bed sheets. Next to the bed a wooden chair, a man sitting on it. He is turned with his back towards me (as if I stand behind him). He is dressed in a brownish jacket with white, soft collar, jeans and brownish boots. He sits with his right elbow nearly on his right knee, left hand resting on left leg. With his right hand (thumb and index finger stretched) he makes pressure on his eyes. He has dark (dark brown or black) hair and a beard, I think.
I have a strong feeling that this was some kind of demonstration of healing through "the interface of vision", but unfortunately I still didn't take enough time to test it myself.
I see. According to what you say it feels familiar - I'm getting what appear to be random(?) dream flashbacks on several occasions throughout the day, but I still haven't figured out what to do with them. It is kind of hard because they always appear in "sets" (3-10 at the time) and they change so fast that it seems impossible to even "catalog" them (write them down), not to say describing them.D.K.Meron писал(а):"Did you experience the explosion of dream memories?".
I did not have this experience. Ravenna said that after this explosion something changes - you can freely enter dream from awaking state - there are no restraints, you can throw away your map because there is no need in it - you know you dream world from A to Z... everything becomes clear, you recall all your dreams but not at once: it may take a month or a year to unzip all your recalling data.
Aren't OBE's considered to be astral travels to other worlds as well? Or is it just about using dream body in real world? I've been trying to figure out "bridging" for a while now and as far as I understand using your dream body in physical reality is considered to be 5th Gate of Dreaming?D.K.Meron писал(а):OBE (=AP) happens when your dream body enters real world. If this happens you can say that you have passed "third gate" of CD.
Of course you did!D.K.Meron писал(а):Well I hope I answer your questions
I really
appreciate your feedback, because usually people don't understand that much of what I'm saying.
Thanks.D.K.Meron писал(а):P.S. If you have some interesting and unusual experience we would be glad to read about it at this site.
Or may be you perform some researches/experiments or have some ideas about it: by all means there are dreamers who will join!
When I
translate some experience I'll definitely post them here.
Hi there, guys!
Awesome topic, pretty informative!
In my opinion there are lot opportunities laying on the field of international partnership between the dreamers.
Will backing up the topic!
Awesome topic, pretty informative!
In my opinion there are lot opportunities laying on the field of international partnership between the dreamers.
Will backing up the topic!